Observations from Saints' victory vs Chargers

SmashMouth · 08-21-2023, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I was actually surprised they waited as long as they did to evaluate Haener. They showed him walking back to the huddle after what I believe may have been the next play and he was closing his eyes and shaking his head. That surely didn't go unnoticed both upstairs and in New York given it was the only game in play.

The targeting should have been an ejection, FWIW.

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stickman · 08-21-2023, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

The targeting should have been an ejection, FWIW.

Agreed. I was kind of confused as to why it wasn't called. I thought I saw him put the crown of his helmet into the helmet of the QB. Am I misunderstanding what constitutes targeting?

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2023, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

The targeting should have been an ejection, FWIW.

https://twitter.com/JohnJHendrix/sta...69406381404611

Originally Posted by stickman

Agreed. I was kind of confused as to why it wasn't called. I thought I saw him put the crown of his helmet into the helmet of the QB. Am I misunderstanding what constitutes targeting?

I don't believe "targeting" is an automatic ejection in the NFL as it is in NCAA ball.

NFL targeting rules by the book

There isn’t officially a “targeting” rule in the NFL rulebook. Rather, they have a lowering the helmet rule. For the 2022 season, that rule was clarified in the name of player safety to say, “It is a foul if a player lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent.” The addition of the “forcible” to the rule from previous years puts it much more in the line of targeting as we know it.

Is a player ejected for targeting in the NFL?

There is no mandatory ejection for this type of penalty in the NFL. Punishment is typically handed out after a review of the play/penalty by the league following the game and it is more likely that a fine will be handed out rather than a suspension, though that is possible. Depending on the play, a player can be ejected, though. It is up to the discretion of the officials.

NFL targeting rules vs. college football

The biggest difference between the NFL and college football when it comes to proverbial targeting rules (other than the terminology, as mentioned) is the ejection. While ejections are up for discretion in the NFL, that is not the case if, after review, a player is deemed to have committed a targeting foul. If that happens, the player is ejected and suspended for the next half (if it occurs in the first half of a game, he will only miss the second half).

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2023, 11:44 AM

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Rugby Saint II · 08-21-2023, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Unfortunately to some, I think Edwards' performance may have locked Tre'Quan onto the roster. He was asked to do the same things as Tre'Quan but failed miserably. He was flagged multiple times on those rubs that Tre'Quan gets away with unnoticed. He also dropped more than one easy one that Tre'Quan usually hauls in. Perry is a lock. If we keep six then Davis may round it out.

Apparently, I was too optimistic about how Edwards would have a come back season. At this point 3Q may be a better option. Ugh!

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Here is an observation for you regarding the media. Now, I’ll fully say the Saints had too many penalties and need to clean up things. However, I’m seeing a common theme in the coverage…basically it’s the Chargers D is awesome and the Saints are sloppy. Here I example:

The penalties can finish a season quicker than injuries.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ule-highlights

Now this could be true, but didn’t the Saints D force turnovers, punts, Sacks, and 4th down stops? Didn’t they win the game? It’s just noteworthy that they write positive things about the team that lost while writing neagtively about the winners.

Why would anyone have any faith in the Saints positive moments? They are a bunch of bounty hunting cheaters with a crappy QB.

08-21-2023, 08:32 AM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,805 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from Saints' victory vs Chargers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I was actually surprised they waited as long as they did to evaluate Haener. They showed him walking back to the huddle after what I believe may have been the next play and he was closing his eyes and shaking his head. That surely didn't go unnoticed both upstairs and in New York given it was the only game in play. The targeting should have been an ejection, FWIW. Twitter stickman likes this.

08-21-2023, 09:00 AM	#2
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,801	Re: Observations from Saints' victory vs Chargers Originally Posted by SmashMouth The targeting should have been an ejection, FWIW. Agreed. I was kind of confused as to why it wasn't called. I thought I saw him put the crown of his helmet into the helmet of the QB. Am I misunderstanding what constitutes targeting? SmashMouth likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from Saints' victory vs Chargers Originally Posted by SmashMouth The targeting should have been an ejection, FWIW. https://twitter.com/JohnJHendrix/sta...69406381404611 Originally Posted by stickman Agreed. I was kind of confused as to why it wasn't called. I thought I saw him put the crown of his helmet into the helmet of the QB. Am I misunderstanding what constitutes targeting? I don't believe "targeting" is an automatic ejection in the NFL as it is in NCAA ball. NFL targeting rules by the book There isn’t officially a “targeting” rule in the NFL rulebook. Rather, they have a lowering the helmet rule. For the 2022 season, that rule was clarified in the name of player safety to say, “It is a foul if a player lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent.” The addition of the “forcible” to the rule from previous years puts it much more in the line of targeting as we know it. Is a player ejected for targeting in the NFL? There is no mandatory ejection for this type of penalty in the NFL. Punishment is typically handed out after a review of the play/penalty by the league following the game and it is more likely that a fine will be handed out rather than a suspension, though that is possible. Depending on the play, a player can be ejected, though. It is up to the discretion of the officials. NFL targeting rules vs. college football The biggest difference between the NFL and college football when it comes to proverbial targeting rules (other than the terminology, as mentioned) is the ejection. While ejections are up for discretion in the NFL, that is not the case if, after review, a player is deemed to have committed a targeting foul. If that happens, the player is ejected and suspended for the next half (if it occurs in the first half of a game, he will only miss the second half). SmashMouth likes this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Observations from Saints' victory vs Chargers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Unfortunately to some, I think Edwards' performance may have locked Tre'Quan onto the roster. He was asked to do the same things as Tre'Quan but failed miserably. He was flagged multiple times on those rubs that Tre'Quan gets away with unnoticed. He also dropped more than one easy one that Tre'Quan usually hauls in. Perry is a lock. If we keep six then Davis may round it out. Apparently, I was too optimistic about how Edwards would have a come back season. At this point 3Q may be a better option. Ugh! Originally Posted by Boston Saint Here is an observation for you regarding the media. Now, I’ll fully say the Saints had too many penalties and need to clean up things. However, I’m seeing a common theme in the coverage…basically it’s the Chargers D is awesome and the Saints are sloppy. Here I example: The penalties can finish a season quicker than injuries. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ule-highlights Now this could be true, but didn’t the Saints D force turnovers, punts, Sacks, and 4th down stops? Didn’t they win the game? It’s just noteworthy that they write positive things about the team that lost while writing neagtively about the winners. Why would anyone have any faith in the Saints positive moments? They are a bunch of bounty hunting cheaters with a crappy QB. Boston Saint likes this.