Who's on the bubble?

K Major · 08-28-2023, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://youtu.be/gt7xYoyUYps

So Ross basically stated Peat "is who he is" in terms of a player. Looked bad vs Texans & just isn't starting (even when healthy) material at LG.

Then he went on to say he isn't all that impressed with the guys at back up left tackle. Young & Kidd aren't cutting it. At this point, pencil in Throckmorten.

And I tend to agree with Ross that it's a possibility the Saints look elsewhere for "depth" in the trenches after the final 53 are announced across the league.

In a nutshell RJ, Nick U, Triplett, Sean F, Bob R (guys close to the team) all agree that the Oline DEPTH is the weaklink of this 2023 Saints team.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2023, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

So Ross basically stated Peat "is who he is" in terms of a player. Looked bad vs Texans & just isn't starting (even when healthy) material at LG.

Then he went on to say he isn't all that impressed with the guys at back up left tackle. Young & Kidd aren't cutting it. At this point, pencil in Throckmorten.

And I tend to agree with Ross that it's a possibility the Saints look elsewhere for "depth" in the trenches after the final 53 are announced across the league.

In a nutshell RJ, Nick U, Triplett, Sean F, Bob R (guys close to the team) all agree that the Oline DEPTH is the weaklink of this 2023 Saints team.

And pretty much the weak link of the vast majority of teams in the NFL. There's simply not much depth available out there. A couple of teams may be releasing a potential upgrade from the tail end of their rosters, but with the Saints sitting at #10 in the waiver order I can't see those players making it past all nine of the needy teams in front of them.

The only positive, I suppose, is that the starting five is probably among the best in the league. Once again, injuries, or the lack there of, is going to be the key. Hopefully some of the young players (Saldiveri, Young, Kidd) we'll have on the roster will develop in time.

MatthewT · 08-28-2023, 11:22 AM

Guys - folks like Peat, Winston, and several others cannot be moved this year due to the way their contracts are structured. This is a topic we need to discuss after this season is over with.

SmashMouth · 08-28-2023, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Guys - folks like Peat, Winston, and several others cannot be moved this year due to the way their contracts are structured. This is a topic we need to discuss after this season is over with.

So what really happened to Peat? Why is he so underperforming for such a still young person. Hurst is about the same age. Did he get lazy? Did he lose his motivation somewhere along the way? He wasn't this bad early on.

Since he's such a detriment rather than a contributing asset, why did SP extend him when we had the chance to move on from him. There were options then in FA. Are there clauses in contracts that void certain provisions in these derelict circumstances?

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2023, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So what really happened to Peat? Why is he so underperforming for such a still young person. Hurst is about the same age. Did he get lazy? Did he lose his motivation somewhere along the way? He wasn't this bad early on.

Since he's such a detriment rather than a contributing asset, why did SP extend him when we had the chance to move on from him. There were options then in FA. Are there clauses in contracts that void certain provisions in these derelict circumstances?

Injuries. Pure and simple. Decent offensive linemen are few and far between in the NFL today. Peat is not as bad as some imagine. At worst he is a solid backup and there's plenty of teams in the league that would love to have that alone. Being a detriment is a fan based viewpoint. I doubt the team sees him under the same light.

MatthewT · 08-28-2023, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So what really happened to Peat? Why is he so underperforming for such a still young person. Hurst is about the same age. Did he get lazy? Did he lose his motivation somewhere along the way? He wasn't this bad early on.

Since he's such a detriment rather than a contributing asset, why did SP extend him when we had the chance to move on from him. There were options then in FA. Are there clauses in contracts that void certain provisions in these derelict circumstances?

This exact reason is why I believe teams should only restructure and push money back on superstar QB's and not other positions. Peat was a hell of a player when he was extended to big money, like many players the decline often comes quick for various reasons, in Peat's case he got the injury bug.

Rugby Saint II · 08-28-2023, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So what really happened to Peat? Why is he so underperforming for such a still young person. Hurst is about the same age. Did he get lazy? Did he lose his motivation somewhere along the way? He wasn't this bad early on.

He showed up out of shape looking like the Pillsbury dough boy and he spent so much time injured he never got into NFL football shape.

Since he's such a detriment rather than a contributing asset, why did SP extend him when we had the chance to move on from him. There were options then in FA. Are there clauses in contracts that void certain provisions in these derelict circumstances?

When we signed peat's contract extension there were no available guards on the market. It was a bad year for signing guards. Unfortunately, Peat was the best available and he has no trade value now.

leilung · 08-28-2023, 02:27 PM

Titans cut their only kicker this morning. I guess they'll take the loser of the kicking job from us!

See ya week one!

Boston Saint · 08-28-2023, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

Titans cut their only kicker this morning. I guess they'll take the loser of the kicking job from us!

See ya week one!

Niners don’t have a healthy kicker either.

BakoSaint · 08-28-2023, 02:42 PM

There is no limit to the number of draft picks a team can spend on offensive line or the number of times they can trade back to acquire additional picks. Draft picks used on losers like book, trout man, grayson, etc could have been spent on oline. You can get running backs, safeties, tight ends, and backup qbs in free agency. Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Zach Strief, Erik McCoy, Terron Armstead, and Jermon Bushrod were all day 2-3 picks. Offensive line depth is a choice. We chose what having Kendre Miller run into a brick wall and Haener get clobbered in preseason was more important to us than having more oline depth and youth. Out system is to draft a 1st rounder on oline every other year and pay and play them for 10 years whether they are good or garbage and back them up with undrafted players and journeyman who we can blame all our losing seasons on having to play after injuries.

Its not that this isnt the year to move on from Peat. It’s that never is the year to move on. It will always be cheaper to restructure his contract than to take the dead cap hit. If you think he is bad in his 30’s just wait for his 40’s and 50’s.

We extended Andrus Peat in 2020. In the 2020 draft 3rd round the pick after Zach Baun was Jonah Jackson, now a pro bowl Guard.

08-28-2023, 12:32 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,759	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by K Major So Ross basically stated Peat "is who he is" in terms of a player. Looked bad vs Texans & just isn't starting (even when healthy) material at LG. Then he went on to say he isn't all that impressed with the guys at back up left tackle. Young & Kidd aren't cutting it. At this point, pencil in Throckmorten. And I tend to agree with Ross that it's a possibility the Saints look elsewhere for "depth" in the trenches after the final 53 are announced across the league. In a nutshell RJ, Nick U, Triplett, Sean F, Bob R (guys close to the team) *all agree that the Oline DEPTH is the weaklink* of this 2023 Saints team**. And pretty much the weak link of the vast majority of teams in the NFL. There's simply not much depth available out there. A couple of teams may be releasing a potential upgrade from the tail end of their rosters, but with the Saints sitting at #10 in the waiver order I can't see those players making it past all nine of the needy teams in front of them. The only positive, I suppose, is that the starting five is probably among the best in the league. Once again, injuries, or the lack there of, is going to be the key. Hopefully some of the young players (Saldiveri, Young, Kidd) we'll have on the roster will develop in time.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

08-28-2023, 11:22 AM	#3
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Who's on the bubble? Guys - folks like Peat, Winston, and several others cannot be moved this year due to the way their contracts are structured. This is a topic we need to discuss after this season is over with.

08-28-2023, 11:43 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,019 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by MatthewT Guys - folks like Peat, Winston, and several others cannot be moved this year due to the way their contracts are structured. This is a topic we need to discuss after this season is over with. So what really happened to Peat? Why is he so underperforming for such a still young person. Hurst is about the same age. Did he get lazy? Did he lose his motivation somewhere along the way? He wasn't this bad early on. Since he's such a detriment rather than a contributing asset, why did SP extend him when we had the chance to move on from him. There were options then in FA. Are there clauses in contracts that void certain provisions in these derelict circumstances? MatthewT likes this.

08-28-2023, 11:51 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,759	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by SmashMouth So what really happened to Peat? Why is he so underperforming for such a still young person. Hurst is about the same age. Did he get lazy? Did he lose his motivation somewhere along the way? He wasn't this bad early on. Since he's such a detriment rather than a contributing asset, why did SP extend him when we had the chance to move on from him. There were options then in FA. Are there clauses in contracts that void certain provisions in these derelict circumstances? Injuries. Pure and simple. Decent offensive linemen are few and far between in the NFL today. Peat is not as bad as some imagine. At worst he is a solid backup and there's plenty of teams in the league that would love to have that alone. Being a detriment is a fan based viewpoint. I doubt the team sees him under the same light.

08-28-2023, 12:10 PM	#6
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by SmashMouth So what really happened to Peat? Why is he so underperforming for such a still young person. Hurst is about the same age. Did he get lazy? Did he lose his motivation somewhere along the way? He wasn't this bad early on. Since he's such a detriment rather than a contributing asset, why did SP extend him when we had the chance to move on from him. There were options then in FA. Are there clauses in contracts that void certain provisions in these derelict circumstances? This exact reason is why I believe teams should only restructure and push money back on superstar QB's and not other positions. Peat was a hell of a player when he was extended to big money, like many players the decline often comes quick for various reasons, in Peat's case he got the injury bug. BakoSaint likes this.

08-28-2023, 12:21 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,844 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://youtu.be/gt7xYoyUYps So Ross basically stated Peat "is who he is" in terms of a player. Looked bad vs Texans & just isn't starting (even when healthy) material at LG. Then he went on to say he isn't all that impressed with the guys at back up left tackle. Young & Kidd aren't cutting it. At this point, pencil in Throckmorten. And I tend to agree with Ross that it's a possibility the Saints look elsewhere for "depth" in the trenches after the final 53 are announced across the league. In a nutshell RJ, Nick U, Triplett, Sean F, Bob R (guys close to the team) all agree that the Oline DEPTH is the weaklink of this 2023 Saints team. Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-28-2023, 12:55 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,198	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by SmashMouth So what really happened to Peat? Why is he so underperforming for such a still young person. Hurst is about the same age. Did he get lazy? Did he lose his motivation somewhere along the way? He wasn't this bad early on. He showed up out of shape looking like the Pillsbury dough boy and he spent so much time injured he never got into NFL football shape. Since he's such a detriment rather than a contributing asset, why did SP extend him when we had the chance to move on from him. There were options then in FA. Are there clauses in contracts that void certain provisions in these derelict circumstances? When we signed peat's contract extension there were no available guards on the market. It was a bad year for signing guards. Unfortunately, Peat was the best available and he has no trade value now.

08-28-2023, 02:27 PM	#8
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,431	Re: Who's on the bubble? Titans cut their only kicker this morning. I guess they'll take the loser of the kicking job from us! See ya week one!

08-28-2023, 02:39 PM	#9
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by leilung Titans cut their only kicker this morning. I guess they'll take the loser of the kicking job from us! See ya week one! Niners don’t have a healthy kicker either.

08-28-2023, 02:42 PM	#10
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,424	Re: Who's on the bubble? There is no limit to the number of draft picks a team can spend on offensive line or the number of times they can trade back to acquire additional picks. Draft picks used on losers like book, trout man, grayson, etc could have been spent on oline. You can get running backs, safeties, tight ends, and backup qbs in free agency. Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Zach Strief, Erik McCoy, Terron Armstead, and Jermon Bushrod were all day 2-3 picks. Offensive line depth is a choice. We chose what having Kendre Miller run into a brick wall and Haener get clobbered in preseason was more important to us than having more oline depth and youth. Out system is to draft a 1st rounder on oline every other year and pay and play them for 10 years whether they are good or garbage and back them up with undrafted players and journeyman who we can blame all our losing seasons on having to play after injuries. Its not that this isnt the year to move on from Peat. It’s that never is the year to move on. It will always be cheaper to restructure his contract than to take the dead cap hit. If you think he is bad in his 30’s just wait for his 40’s and 50’s. We extended Andrus Peat in 2020. In the 2020 draft 3rd round the pick after Zach Baun was Jonah Jackson, now a pro bowl Guard. SmashMouth likes this.
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