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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by K Major " If you listen to fans, you'll be sitting up there with them ". Buddy Ryan Absolutely!...
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08-30-2023, 12:03 PM | #41 |
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08-30-2023, 07:35 PM | #42 |
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Originally Posted by K Major
Buddy Ryan was a career .500 head coach in the regular season and lost every playoff game as head coach.
It has been widely reported that Mickey Loomis was prepared to trade Sean Payton to the Dallas Cowboys several years ago, but at time he was also managing the Pelicans and had to trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers as he could not afford to keep Davis long term. So, Loomis pulled the Payton trade because he thought the PR hit would be too big from shipping away Davis and Payton in the same offseason. This would seem to contradict the idea that we as fans shouldn't even bother having opinions because management is not concerned. In fact it shows the opposite, that management is so concerned with our opinions that they are trying to guess what those opinions will be in advance. The thing is, one fans opinion won't do much alone, we have to convince others, because teams are worried about what the majority of the fan base will think. At least Loomis definitely is. So as we all share out opinions here its like a massive arena battle for which opinions will become popular, and those opinions will affect decision makers, either forcing them to go along or to go away. I am fighting the long fight with my opinions, and if the results don't change from what we have seen the last two years, they will eventually affect the decisions or who makes them. |
08-30-2023, 08:42 PM | #43 |
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint
But knew a helluva lot more than the “average” sports fan.
I won’t pretend to know how the cap, drafting and evaluation works at the NFL level. I”ll leave that to the millionaires (Loomis, Hartley, coaches) to stress over. Criticizing every move Loomis and the front office makes isn’t worth my time. |
08-30-2023, 08:43 PM | #44 |
Re: Who's on the bubble?
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
We may be through with the era of throwing many picks away for a mere couple of spots move up... at least I hope so. I hope Loomis has learned his lesson and that Jeff Ireland keeps him grounded.
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08-31-2023, 07:56 AM | #45 |
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint
Does Coby Fleener , aka "Fleecer" blow a little opining in your argument?
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08-31-2023, 08:50 AM | #46 |
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Paradoxically this appears to be both the purpose and bane of Bako's existence.
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08-31-2023, 09:30 AM | #47 |
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08-31-2023, 10:59 AM | #48 |
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Alcohol lives in Loomis' head rent free. But that whole phrase is stupid. WWII historians including Winston Churchill have written volumes about how Neville Chamberlain mismanaged the war. It does not mean Neville Chamberlain lives rent free in Winston Churchills head, it means they had a strong difference of opinion about what the person in power at the time should have done. Likewise some whistleblowers in finance wrote a lot about how companies like Enron took on too much debt and speculation or questioned whether companies like Tesla or Theranos could meet their deadlines. As a fan I have a right to question and disagree with management. Time will prove me right or wrong. I don't think we can become serious contenders again without rebuilding. We will see.
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08-31-2023, 11:05 AM | #49 |
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How would Fleener blow a hole in my argument? Would Crystal Pepsi blow a hole in your argument? Nobody said bad TE's don't exist so naming one has nothing to do with my argument in any way. Every team in the NFL has had a bad TE at one time or another. He was a bad TE. The Colts wasted the 34th overall pick on him, which although technically not a 1st rounder, is higher than I believe a TE should typically be drafted. We took a shot on him in free agency and missed, which every team in NFL history has done on a TE. But it would not have been better if we drafted Kellen Winslow Jr in the early 1st round and it could have been better if we took a TE with a later pick such as Gronk or Kittle or Kelce or Andrews.
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