Trades & Cuts

K Major · 08-30-2023, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We're younger for sure. I still don't understand why we didn't trade Roby. Maybe we have a hand shake deal with him to return tomorrow after 3Q goes to IR.

LD Bell (Dennis Allen) still has a ton to prove as Head Coach however when it comes to his defensive secondary moves … I 100% trust his judgment and evaluation process on players.

But again, I'm just a couch GM/HC and scout

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AsylumGuido · 08-30-2023, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

LD Bell (Dennis Allen) still has a ton to prove as Head Coach however when it comes to his defensive secondary moves … I 100% trust his judgment and evaluation process on players.

But again, I'm just a couch GM/HC and scout .

Not to mention you can't trade a player unless you actually have a team honestly willing to trade for that player. If a team was willing to fork over a 2025 conditional 7th the Saints would have jumped on it.

WW_Who_Dat · 08-30-2023, 04:49 PM

We don’t know what we don’t know. I heard on NOF that Roby had only 1 BPU the entire Camp/Preseason …

mapcow · 08-30-2023, 04:53 PM

Krull will have a better season with Payton; on the practice squad, than Graham will with Allen

AsylumGuido · 08-30-2023, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

We don’t know what we don’t know. I heard on NOF that Roby had only 1 BPU the entire Camp/Preseason …

Like I have always said, we as fans have no clue what goes on inside locker rooms, meeting rooms, and in practices. And most of what we see on the field we is without understanding of what was supposed to happen and who was supposed to do what.

In other words, we don't know crap. LOL!

AsylumGuido · 08-30-2023, 05:16 PM

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BakoSaint · 08-30-2023, 06:08 PM

Nick Kroll was not impressive. They fed him the ball but he can't catch half the time. If we want someone with speed to get open who is not so good at catching we already are massively overpaying for that with Taysom Hill who we may not have room under the salary cap to cut until he is 40. Maybe Peyton will try Kroll in the wildcat and pay him $15 million a year then when that fails announce he is rededicated to TE then when he still sucks as a TE bring Julius Thomas out of retirement to make Broncos fans forget to complain about why Nick Kroll is being paid $15 million a year to be a TE who can't catch. Kroll and Hill were both UDFA.

Payton is not good at developing TE's. The only good TE in Payton's time was Jimmy Graham. Maybe Jimmy Graham is good at developing TE's. The number of garbage TE's we had over time is staggering. Other than Graham, we seemed to look for TE's who could have big drops or fumbles at critical times with the likes of Fleener, Cook, and Trout Man.

Roby was the 3rd highest paid player on our roster in base salary. It is lucky we did not restructure his contract this year and guarantee basically all of it. Since we didn't restructure, we were able to cut an aging non starter and save money on our salary cap, an advanced salary cap management technique exploited by many of our rivals. If needed we can bring in Roby or another vet journeyman for vet minimum salary.

Overall we seem to have done well with the cuts. Hopefully we didn't get too cute putting Smith on our practice squad and don't lose him like Murray last year. We should look at other teams practice squads for oline help.

I wonder if Shaheed is going on IR. We tend to be tight lipped with injury. Davis could get an audition, though Shaheed has shown a lot and missing him would hurt us, if he is healthy.

Our official depth chart shows Peat and Hurst as co-starters at LG. Is that normal? At TE or RB or something I could kind of get it, since you could use different sets or vary with downs, but at LG it seems weird. Is Hurst our 3rd down LG and Peat our short yardage LG???? Or is this just a cop out and Peat is a backup who we don't want to admit to overpaying?

vpheughan · 08-31-2023, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Nick Kroll was not impressive. They fed him the ball but he can't catch half the time. If we want someone with speed to get open who is not so good at catching we already are massively overpaying for that with Taysom Hill who we may not have room under the salary cap to cut until he is 40. Maybe Peyton will try Kroll in the wildcat and pay him $15 million a year then when that fails announce he is rededicated to TE then when he still sucks as a TE bring Julius Thomas out of retirement to make Broncos fans forget to complain about why Nick Kroll is being paid $15 million a year to be a TE who can't catch. Kroll and Hill were both UDFA.

Payton is not good at developing TE's. The only good TE in Payton's time was Jimmy Graham. Maybe Jimmy Graham is good at developing TE's. The number of garbage TE's we had over time is staggering. Other than Graham, we seemed to look for TE's who could have big drops or fumbles at critical times with the likes of Fleener, Cook, and Trout Man.

Roby was the 3rd highest paid player on our roster in base salary. It is lucky we did not restructure his contract this year and guarantee basically all of it. Since we didn't restructure, we were able to cut an aging non starter and save money on our salary cap, an advanced salary cap management technique exploited by many of our rivals. If needed we can bring in Roby or another vet journeyman for vet minimum salary.

Overall we seem to have done well with the cuts. Hopefully we didn't get too cute putting Smith on our practice squad and don't lose him like Murray last year. We should look at other teams practice squads for oline help.

I wonder if Shaheed is going on IR. We tend to be tight lipped with injury. Davis could get an audition, though Shaheed has shown a lot and missing him would hurt us, if he is healthy.

Our official depth chart shows Peat and Hurst as co-starters at LG. Is that normal? At TE or RB or something I could kind of get it, since you could use different sets or vary with downs, but at LG it seems weird. Is Hurst our 3rd down LG and Peat our short yardage LG???? Or is this just a cop out and Peat is a backup who we don't want to admit to overpaying?

Jimmy Graham Stats By Team:

Saints: Receptions 386 Yards 4,562 Yards Per Catch 12.3 TD 51
Seahawks: Receptions 170 Yards 2,048 Yards Per Catch 12.0 TD 18
Packers: Receptions 93 Yards 1,083 Yards Per Catch 11.6 TD 5
Bears: Receptions 64 Yards 623 Yards Per Catch 9.7 TD 11

True, Payton has a "Thing" for TE'S and Kickers Remember before John Harbaugh tipped him off to Lutz the kicker was Kai Forbath!
Trivia: Grupe is the second ND Kicker the Saints have had, John Carney was the other. Payton cut him his second year and traded for the Dolphins Olindo Mare and promptly had the worst season of his career going 10 - 17 58.8%

iceshack149 · 08-31-2023, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

Krull will have a better season with Payton; on the practice squad, than Graham will with Allen

I wonder if Las Vegas has a line on that?! It would be interesting to pay attention to but collectively, our attention spans are so weak that we'll forget to check at the end of the year.

Rugby Saint II · 08-31-2023, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I wonder if Las Vegas has a line on that?! It would be interesting to pay attention to but collectively, our attention spans are so weak that we'll forget to check at the end of the year.

So true iceshack. I'm only betting on my Saints this year though.

08-30-2023, 04:31 PM	#111
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,067 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trades & Cuts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We're younger for sure. I still don't understand why we didn't trade Roby. Maybe we have a hand shake deal with him to return tomorrow after 3Q goes to IR. LD Bell (Dennis Allen) still has a ton to prove as Head Coach however when it comes to his defensive secondary moves … I 100% trust his judgment and evaluation process on players. But again, I'm just a couch GM/HC and scout .

08-30-2023, 04:35 PM	#112
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Trades & Cuts Originally Posted by K Major LD Bell (Dennis Allen) still has a ton to prove as Head Coach however when it comes to his defensive secondary moves … I 100% trust his judgment and evaluation process on players. But again, I'm just a couch GM/HC and scout . Not to mention you can't trade a player unless you actually have a team honestly willing to trade for that player. If a team was willing to fork over a 2025 conditional 7th the Saints would have jumped on it.

08-30-2023, 04:49 PM	#113
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,166 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Trades & Cuts We don’t know what we don’t know. I heard on NOF that Roby had only 1 BPU the entire Camp/Preseason … AsylumGuido likes this.

08-30-2023, 04:53 PM	#114
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,335	Re: Trades & Cuts Krull will have a better season with Payton; on the practice squad, than Graham will with Allen
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08-30-2023, 05:15 PM	#115
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Trades & Cuts Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat We don’t know what we don’t know. I heard on NOF that Roby had only 1 BPU the entire Camp/Preseason … Like I have always said, we as fans have no clue what goes on inside locker rooms, meeting rooms, and in practices. And most of what we see on the field we is without understanding of what was supposed to happen and who was supposed to do what. In other words, we don't know crap. LOL!

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,767	Re: Trades & Cuts Nick Kroll was not impressive. They fed him the ball but he can't catch half the time. If we want someone with speed to get open who is not so good at catching we already are massively overpaying for that with Taysom Hill who we may not have room under the salary cap to cut until he is 40. Maybe Peyton will try Kroll in the wildcat and pay him $15 million a year then when that fails announce he is rededicated to TE then when he still sucks as a TE bring Julius Thomas out of retirement to make Broncos fans forget to complain about why Nick Kroll is being paid $15 million a year to be a TE who can't catch. Kroll and Hill were both UDFA. Payton is not good at developing TE's. The only good TE in Payton's time was Jimmy Graham. Maybe Jimmy Graham is good at developing TE's. The number of garbage TE's we had over time is staggering. Other than Graham, we seemed to look for TE's who could have big drops or fumbles at critical times with the likes of Fleener, Cook, and Trout Man. Roby was the 3rd highest paid player on our roster in base salary. It is lucky we did not restructure his contract this year and guarantee basically all of it. Since we didn't restructure, we were able to cut an aging non starter and save money on our salary cap, an advanced salary cap management technique exploited by many of our rivals. If needed we can bring in Roby or another vet journeyman for vet minimum salary. Overall we seem to have done well with the cuts. Hopefully we didn't get too cute putting Smith on our practice squad and don't lose him like Murray last year. We should look at other teams practice squads for oline help. I wonder if Shaheed is going on IR. We tend to be tight lipped with injury. Davis could get an audition, though Shaheed has shown a lot and missing him would hurt us, if he is healthy. Our official depth chart shows Peat and Hurst as co-starters at LG. Is that normal? At TE or RB or something I could kind of get it, since you could use different sets or vary with downs, but at LG it seems weird. Is Hurst our 3rd down LG and Peat our short yardage LG???? Or is this just a cop out and Peat is a backup who we don't want to admit to overpaying? SmashMouth and K Major like this.
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08-31-2023, 12:17 PM	#118
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,500	Re: Trades & Cuts Originally Posted by BakoSaint Nick Kroll was not impressive. They fed him the ball but he can't catch half the time. If we want someone with speed to get open who is not so good at catching we already are massively overpaying for that with Taysom Hill who we may not have room under the salary cap to cut until he is 40. Maybe Peyton will try Kroll in the wildcat and pay him $15 million a year then when that fails announce he is rededicated to TE then when he still sucks as a TE bring Julius Thomas out of retirement to make Broncos fans forget to complain about why Nick Kroll is being paid $15 million a year to be a TE who can't catch. Kroll and Hill were both UDFA. Payton is not good at developing TE's. The only good TE in Payton's time was Jimmy Graham. Maybe Jimmy Graham is good at developing TE's. The number of garbage TE's we had over time is staggering. Other than Graham, we seemed to look for TE's who could have big drops or fumbles at critical times with the likes of Fleener, Cook, and Trout Man. Roby was the 3rd highest paid player on our roster in base salary. It is lucky we did not restructure his contract this year and guarantee basically all of it. Since we didn't restructure, we were able to cut an aging non starter and save money on our salary cap, an advanced salary cap management technique exploited by many of our rivals. If needed we can bring in Roby or another vet journeyman for vet minimum salary. Overall we seem to have done well with the cuts. Hopefully we didn't get too cute putting Smith on our practice squad and don't lose him like Murray last year. We should look at other teams practice squads for oline help. I wonder if Shaheed is going on IR. We tend to be tight lipped with injury. Davis could get an audition, though Shaheed has shown a lot and missing him would hurt us, if he is healthy. Our official depth chart shows Peat and Hurst as co-starters at LG. Is that normal? At TE or RB or something I could kind of get it, since you could use different sets or vary with downs, but at LG it seems weird. Is Hurst our 3rd down LG and Peat our short yardage LG???? Or is this just a cop out and Peat is a backup who we don't want to admit to overpaying? Jimmy Graham Stats By Team: Saints: Receptions 386 Yards 4,562 Yards Per Catch 12.3 TD 51 Seahawks: Receptions 170 Yards 2,048 Yards Per Catch 12.0 TD 18 Packers: Receptions 93 Yards 1,083 Yards Per Catch 11.6 TD 5 Bears: Receptions 64 Yards 623 Yards Per Catch 9.7 TD 11 True, Payton has a "Thing" for TE'S and Kickers Remember before John Harbaugh tipped him off to Lutz the kicker was Kai Forbath! Trivia: Grupe is the second ND Kicker the Saints have had, John Carney was the other. Payton cut him his second year and traded for the Dolphins Olindo Mare and promptly had the worst season of his career going 10 - 17 58.8%
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08-31-2023, 12:49 PM	#119
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,098 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Trades & Cuts Originally Posted by mapcow Krull will have a better season with Payton; on the practice squad, than Graham will with Allen I wonder if Las Vegas has a line on that?! It would be interesting to pay attention to but collectively, our attention spans are so weak that we'll forget to check at the end of the year. SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

08-31-2023, 12:55 PM	#120
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Trades & Cuts Originally Posted by iceshack149 I wonder if Las Vegas has a line on that?! It would be interesting to pay attention to but collectively, our attention spans are so weak that we'll forget to check at the end of the year. So true iceshack. I'm only betting on my Saints this year though.