2023 New Orleans Saints: Regular Season News

cmike · 09-27-2023, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

So the ball that hit Olave in the chest in the end zone isn't considered a dropped pass?

Maybe it’s not considered a drop because it didn’t hit his hands but in the chest between the 1 and 2. Maybe not a drop because he possibly stepped out of bounds before the ball caved his chest in.

K Major · 09-27-2023, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Yep.

Excellent stat through 3 quarters for the Saints CBs though.

Love converted on that 2 pt conversion (Latt) ...

Love throwing (on Issac's side) a rainbow to Reed with 4:00 left in the game.

Love backshoulder (on Issac's side) TD pass to Dobbs under 3 min for the go ahead score. Never understood why Allen didn't give Issac any help late.

Jordan Love was meh most of the game but when it mattered most ... man he cooked

our CBs.

iceshack149 · 09-27-2023, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Excellent stat through 3 quarters for the Saints CBs though.

Love converted on that 2 pt conversion (Latt) ...

Love throwing (on Issac's side) a rainbow to Reed with 4:00 left in the game.

Love backshoulder (on Issac's side) TD pass to Dobbs under 3 min for the go ahead score. Never understood why Allen didn't give Issac any help late.

Jordan Love was meh most of the game but when it mattered most ... man he cooked our CBs.

Yes. And I may be petty-homer guy but those last second PI calls were gifts for the Packers.

AsylumGuido · 09-27-2023, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

So the ball that hit Olave in the chest in the end zone isn't considered a dropped pass?

Originally Posted by cmike

Maybe it’s not considered a drop because it didn’t hit his hands but in the chest between the 1 and 2. Maybe not a drop because he possibly stepped out of bounds before the ball caved his chest in.

I went back and found the play-by-play in the boxscore and double checked it against the individual defensive stats. The defender on that play, Keisean Nixon, was targeted three times for the game. He gave up two completions and had one Pass Defended. That play was where he was credited with the Pass Defended because he got a hand on the ball before it got into the body of Olave. If you go back and watch the play again you'll see that. BTW, you cannot have a dropped pass and a pass defended on the same play anyway.

But, I believe you are right, cmike, had it not been deflected by Nixon Olave may not have been able to get the feet down in bounds anyway.

AsylumGuido · 09-27-2023, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Yes. And I may be petty-homer guy but those last second PI calls were gifts for the Packers.

Yes they were. Love was one for seven passing on that drive. 67 of the 80 yards came off those two penalties.

K Major · 09-27-2023, 01:00 PM

You’re right Ice but no way should the Saints
have blown a 17 point lead late like that.

Notice how Philly, KC, Bills, MIA (usual suspects) put teams out
of their misery by attacking, leaving no doubt & out of the Zebras hands.

I’m on to Tampa 🫡.

cmike · 09-27-2023, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I went back and found the play-by-play in the boxscore and double checked it against the individual defensive stats. The defender on that play, Keisean Nixon, was targeted three times for the game. He gave up two completions and had one Pass Defended. That play was where he was credited with the Pass Defended because he got a hand on the ball before it got into the body of Olave. If you go back and watch the play again you'll see that. BTW, you cannot have a dropped pass and a pass defended on the same play anyway.

But, I believe you are right, cmike, had it not been deflected by Nixon Olave may not have been able to get the feet down in bounds anyway.

On the game day thread, no one questioned whether it was a drop or not. Most were curious why Carr didn’t throw it to MT13 instead. Vilma immediately commented and said Carr shouldn’t have thrown it there and got lucky that the pass wasn’t picked.

Rugby Saint II · 09-27-2023, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

You’re right Ice but no way should the Saints
have blown a 17 point lead late like that.

Notice how Philly, KC, Bills, MIA (usual suspects) put teams out
of their misery by attacking, leaving no doubt & out of the Zebras hands.

I’m on to Tampa 🫡.

We don't attack late in the game. Instead, we go into prevent defense way too early and allow them to get back in the game. We play not to lose and then we lose when we take our foot off the other teams throat and get a big fat "L".

iceshack149 · 09-27-2023, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

You’re right Ice but no way should the Saints
have blown a 17 point lead late like that.

Notice how Philly, KC, Bills, MIA (usual suspects) put teams out
of their misery by attacking, leaving no doubt & out of the Zebras hands.

I’m on to Tampa 🫡.

I agree and said that in the game day thread.

Originally Posted by iceshack149

The Saints pissed their pants but those PI calls were absolute garbage.

K Major · 09-28-2023, 01:24 PM

Solid breakdown on Ramz vs GB & Oline woes by Deuce W. Roughly 16 min listen.
He even touches on the Yankee Concept (routes & Carr holding onto the ball too long) starting around 16:35.

Hopefully Doug Marrone is adjusting, giving guys help across the entire oline. Tampa won't do us any favors, especially coming off a dominating loss on national TV.

1st place in the NFC SOUTH DIVISON IS ON THE LINE here.

Saints Film Room: RAM no longer the GOAT? \| How offensive line fared vs Packers in Week 3, 2023 - YouTube

09-27-2023, 10:30 AM	#61
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,430	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Regular Season News Originally Posted by iceshack149 So the ball that hit Olave in the chest in the end zone isn't considered a dropped pass? Maybe it’s not considered a drop because it didn’t hit his hands but in the chest between the 1 and 2. Maybe not a drop because he possibly stepped out of bounds before the ball caved his chest in. iceshack149 likes this.

09-27-2023, 10:54 AM	#62
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Regular Season News Originally Posted by rezburna Yep. Excellent stat through 3 quarters for the Saints CBs though. Love converted on that 2 pt conversion (Latt) ... Love throwing (on Issac's side) a rainbow to Reed with 4:00 left in the game. Love backshoulder (on Issac's side) TD pass to Dobbs under 3 min for the go ahead score. Never understood why Allen didn't give Issac any help late. Jordan Love was meh most of the game but when it mattered most ... man he cooked our CBs. Rugby Saint II likes this.

09-27-2023, 12:07 PM	#63
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Regular Season News Originally Posted by K Major Excellent stat through 3 quarters for the Saints CBs though. Love converted on that 2 pt conversion (Latt) ... Love throwing (on Issac's side) a rainbow to Reed with 4:00 left in the game. Love backshoulder (on Issac's side) TD pass to Dobbs under 3 min for the go ahead score. Never understood why Allen didn't give Issac any help late. Jordan Love was meh most of the game but when it mattered most ... man he cooked our CBs. Yes. And I may be petty-homer guy but those last second PI calls were gifts for the Packers. AsylumGuido likes this.

09-27-2023, 12:34 PM	#64
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Regular Season News Originally Posted by iceshack149 So the ball that hit Olave in the chest in the end zone isn't considered a dropped pass? Originally Posted by cmike Maybe it’s not considered a drop because it didn’t hit his hands but in the chest between the 1 and 2. Maybe not a drop because he possibly stepped out of bounds before the ball caved his chest in. I went back and found the play-by-play in the boxscore and double checked it against the individual defensive stats. The defender on that play, Keisean Nixon, was targeted three times for the game. He gave up two completions and had one Pass Defended. That play was where he was credited with the Pass Defended because he got a hand on the ball before it got into the body of Olave. If you go back and watch the play again you'll see that. BTW, you cannot have a dropped pass and a pass defended on the same play anyway. But, I believe you are right, cmike, had it not been deflected by Nixon Olave may not have been able to get the feet down in bounds anyway. cmike likes this.
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09-27-2023, 12:36 PM	#65
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Regular Season News Originally Posted by iceshack149 Yes. And I may be petty-homer guy but those last second PI calls were gifts for the Packers. Yes they were. Love was one for seven passing on that drive. 67 of the 80 yards came off those two penalties.

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09-27-2023, 01:00 PM	#66
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Regular Season News You’re right Ice but no way should the Saints have blown a 17 point lead late like that. Notice how Philly, KC, Bills, MIA (usual suspects) put teams out of their misery by attacking, leaving no doubt & out of the Zebras hands. I’m on to Tampa 🫡. Rugby Saint II likes this.

09-27-2023, 01:33 PM	#67
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,430	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Regular Season News Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I went back and found the play-by-play in the boxscore and double checked it against the individual defensive stats. The defender on that play, Keisean Nixon, was targeted three times for the game. He gave up two completions and had one Pass Defended. That play was where he was credited with the Pass Defended because he got a hand on the ball before it got into the body of Olave. If you go back and watch the play again you'll see that. BTW, you cannot have a dropped pass and a pass defended on the same play anyway. But, I believe you are right, cmike, had it not been deflected by Nixon Olave may not have been able to get the feet down in bounds anyway. On the game day thread, no one questioned whether it was a drop or not. Most were curious why Carr didn’t throw it to MT13 instead. Vilma immediately commented and said Carr shouldn’t have thrown it there and got lucky that the pass wasn’t picked. AsylumGuido likes this.

09-27-2023, 01:57 PM	#68
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Regular Season News Originally Posted by K Major You’re right Ice but no way should the Saints have blown a 17 point lead late like that. Notice how Philly, KC, Bills, MIA (usual suspects) put teams out of their misery by attacking, leaving no doubt & out of the Zebras hands. I’m on to Tampa 🫡. We don't attack late in the game. Instead, we go into prevent defense way too early and allow them to get back in the game. We play not to lose and then we lose when we take our foot off the other teams throat and get a big fat "L". K Major likes this.

09-27-2023, 03:33 PM	#69
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2023 New Orleans Saints: Regular Season News Originally Posted by K Major You’re right Ice but no way should the Saints have blown a 17 point lead late like that. Notice how Philly, KC, Bills, MIA (usual suspects) put teams out of their misery by attacking, leaving no doubt & out of the Zebras hands. I’m on to Tampa 🫡. I agree and said that in the game day thread. Originally Posted by iceshack149 The Saints pissed their pants but those PI calls were absolute garbage. K Major likes this.