NFL Ref’s Rule

SmashMouth · 09-22-2023, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Well said Oak. And I smile every time I see your avatar.

So does Foreverfan from up above.

gumbeau · 09-22-2023, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I did not intend for this to become a soap box it just sort of did. The tl:dr is the "integrity of the shield' is a marketing gimmick.

This should not disillusion anyone but the shield is a business venture and being founded as such has no integrity, or has no more integrity than any multi-million/billion dollar corporation. "Integrity of the Shield" is a virtue phrase used as a basis to dole out punitive action on grown men who act like children. This is just like HR requiring everyone to attend an annual Code of Business Conduct refresher. It is a facade. If the shield had integrity minorities and females wouldn't have been treated the way they were for decades.

Every action taken by the league in my lifetime has been to further advance the business, not protect the integrity of a sport, or ensure bias and bigotry did not exist within its walls. Anyone who talks about southern plantation owners making money off the backs of black slaves needs to take a hard look at the NFL, NBA, and Boxing. Sure, they get paid but the NFL is not valued at $143+BN because they shared in the spoils.

- Halftime is to generate viewership. For those that have forgotten, they sell the Half Time show, they don't choose it.
- Advancements in helmet and pad design is to mitigate litigation.
- Rules to protect the QB are to protect an investment.
- Rules to make the game more exciting are to generate viewership.
- Punishments for the supposedly illegal bounty program was to protect public image. There was not 'a bounty program', bounties were systemic in the league decades before.

At no time has any commissioner since Elmer Layden said "we need to get back to our roots".

This is Professional Wrestling with a ball and green surface (which in most cases is also fake). I know this when I watch it. The refs are doing as they are told.

100 percent.

I haven't watched any Saints football in a few years now and very little since January 2019 as I was in the South end zone when my faith in the NFL was murdered. My minimal interest in keeping track would be nonexistent were my mother not a big fan still. (even she has lessened her ardor for what once was something central to our family)

So much in our world has been exposed to be lies and deceit in pursuit of money and power the past few years. It may be a function of my advancing age to feel this. If so, I long for the ignorance of youth. If not, I am glad I probably won't be around to see the horrible things marching our way. At least I hope so.

In the meanwhile, I will poke around here a bit to keep tabs on the team until such time as it is no longer necessary, although I hate to think about that inevitable event.

Cheers! I wish I could still be in that number but what is done cannot be undone.

SmashMouth · 10-09-2023, 06:47 PM

More refs playing around...

https://youtu.be/YRV5FQpdh6Q?si=v2kA34F6N57ZGzaS

AsylumGuido · 10-09-2023, 06:57 PM

Does anyone know the difference between refs today and refs 25-30 years ago?

Back then they had half a dozen cameras at best and no or limited replay.

Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous.

The refs have always been relatively incompetent based upon human capabilities to see and perceive, especially for men in their late 40's and 50's doing the job on a part time basis.

BakoSaint · 10-09-2023, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Does anyone know the difference between refs today and refs 25-30 years ago?

Back then they had half a dozen cameras at best and no or limited replay.

Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous.

The refs have always been relatively incompetent based upon human capabilities to see and perceive, especially for men in their late 40's and 50's doing the job on a part time basis.

Also 25-30 years ago refs gambled on the games with their bookies and used the proceeds to snort angel dust off the ass cracks of male prostitutes. Today the refs gamble on the games on their burner phones and use the proceeds to snort fentanyl off the ass cracks of male prostitutes.

vpheughan · 10-10-2023, 09:25 AM

[QUOTE=AsylumGuido;982851]

Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous.

instantaneous
ĭn″stən-tā′nē-əs
adjective
Occurring or completed without perceptible delay.

Now tell everyone that the "instantaneous" reviews do not in any way delay the game.

It's the commentators in the booth and the fans watching on TV who actually see it instantaneously. Why can't the NFL have a "Replay Official" seeing what the commentators and TV viewers see ?

The NFL could institute the "SKY JUDGE" next week if they so desired.

The fact that they don't should have everyone asking "WHY?"

The NFL would lose "CONTROL" of the game, that's WHY.

The NFL panders to those "FANS" who watch for the "ENTERAINMENT" .

Fans like YOU

Now tell the Group you've never said that ENTERTAINMENT is what you so cherish!

AsylumGuido · 10-10-2023, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous.

instantaneous
ĭn″stən-tā′nē-əs
adjective
Occurring or completed without perceptible delay.

Now tell everyone that the "instantaneous" reviews do not in any way delay the game.

It's the commentators in the booth and the fans watching on TV who actually see it instantaneously. Why can't the NFL have a "Replay Official" seeing what the commentators and TV viewers see ?

The NFL could institute the "SKY JUDGE" next week if they so desired.

The fact that they don't should have everyone asking "WHY?"

The NFL would lose "CONTROL" of the game, that's WHY.

The NFL panders to those "FANS" who watch for the "ENTERAINMENT" .

Fans like YOU

Now tell the Group you've never said that ENTERTAINMENT is what you so cherish!

Off the meds again, vp?

The point I was attempting to make that you so horribly missed was that refs have been missing calls since the game started and we only now have the abilities to see what has been magnified by new technologies.

And, yes, I am completely entertained by the product. I see no issue with that at all. And, yes, I am a fan. What's wrong with any of that?

P.S. What is "enterainment"? Maybe you need to break out that little dictionary of yours again.

Rugby Saint II · 10-10-2023, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Off the meds again, vp?
The point I was attempting to make that you so horribly missed was that refs have been missing calls since the game started and we only now have the abilities to see what has been magnified by new technologies.

And, yes, I am completely entertained by the product. I see no issue with that at all. And, yes, I am a fan. What's wrong with any of that?

P.S. What is "enterainment"? Maybe you need to break out that little dictionary of yours again.

Wrestling is entertainment.....so is football now. It's all basically scripted with a predetermined outcome.

Also, The refs are obviously worse now than they were in the past. You don't need dozens of camera angles to see blown calls and it happens in almost every game. The NFL doesn't want competent refs. If they did then the refs should be full time with proper referee coaching. The NFL is a joke!

AsylumGuido · 10-10-2023, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Wrestling is entertainment.....so is football now. It's all basically scripted with a predetermined outcome.

Also, The refs are obviously worse now than they were in the past. You don't need dozens of camera angles to see blown calls and it happens in almost every game. The NFL doesn't want competent refs. If they did then the refs should be full time with proper referee coaching. The NFL is a joke!

You tell that to any player, Rugs. Tell them that what they are out there putting their bodies on the line for is nothing but scripted and for it to work they have to be faking it all too. Is this what you believe is going on?

The NFL makes money hand over fist regardless of what team wins any individual game.

iceshack149 · 10-10-2023, 07:11 PM

The Chiefs games this year have many people thinking that the NFL is absolutely rigged. Hard to argue against that perception at this point.

09-22-2023, 10:38 AM	#41
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,127 Blog Entries: 29	Re: NFL Ref’s Rule Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Well said Oak. And I smile every time I see your avatar. So does Foreverfan from up above. Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

09-22-2023, 04:21 PM	#42
gumbeau Where Y'at? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 519	Re: NFL Ref’s Rule Originally Posted by TheOak I did not intend for this to become a soap box it just sort of did. The tl:dr is the "integrity of the shield' is a marketing gimmick. This should not disillusion anyone but the shield is a business venture and being founded as such has no integrity, or has no more integrity than any multi-million/billion dollar corporation. "Integrity of the Shield" is a virtue phrase used as a basis to dole out punitive action on grown men who act like children. This is just like HR requiring everyone to attend an annual Code of Business Conduct refresher. It is a facade. If the shield had integrity minorities and females wouldn't have been treated the way they were for decades. Every action taken by the league in my lifetime has been to further advance the business, not protect the integrity of a sport, or ensure bias and bigotry did not exist within its walls. Anyone who talks about southern plantation owners making money off the backs of black slaves needs to take a hard look at the NFL, NBA, and Boxing. Sure, they get paid but the NFL is not valued at $143+BN because they shared in the spoils. - Halftime is to generate viewership. For those that have forgotten, they sell the Half Time show, they don't choose it. - Advancements in helmet and pad design is to mitigate litigation. - Rules to protect the QB are to protect an investment. - Rules to make the game more exciting are to generate viewership. - Punishments for the supposedly illegal bounty program was to protect public image. There was not 'a bounty program', bounties were systemic in the league decades before. At no time has any commissioner since Elmer Layden said "we need to get back to our roots". This is Professional Wrestling with a ball and green surface (which in most cases is also fake). I know this when I watch it. The refs are doing as they are told. 100 percent. I haven't watched any Saints football in a few years now and very little since January 2019 as I was in the South end zone when my faith in the NFL was murdered. My minimal interest in keeping track would be nonexistent were my mother not a big fan still. (even she has lessened her ardor for what once was something central to our family) So much in our world has been exposed to be lies and deceit in pursuit of money and power the past few years. It may be a function of my advancing age to feel this. If so, I long for the ignorance of youth. If not, I am glad I probably won't be around to see the horrible things marching our way. At least I hope so. In the meanwhile, I will poke around here a bit to keep tabs on the team until such time as it is no longer necessary, although I hate to think about that inevitable event. Cheers! I wish I could still be in that number but what is done cannot be undone. iceshack149, Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

10-09-2023, 06:47 PM	#43
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,127 Blog Entries: 29	Re: NFL Ref’s Rule More refs playing around... https://youtu.be/YRV5FQpdh6Q?si=v2kA34F6N57ZGzaS Boston Saint likes this.

10-09-2023, 06:57 PM	#44
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,237	Re: NFL Ref’s Rule Does anyone know the difference between refs today and refs 25-30 years ago? Back then they had half a dozen cameras at best and no or limited replay. Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous. The refs have always been relatively incompetent based upon human capabilities to see and perceive, especially for men in their late 40's and 50's doing the job on a part time basis.

10-09-2023, 10:16 PM	#45
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,139	Re: NFL Ref’s Rule Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Does anyone know the difference between refs today and refs 25-30 years ago? Back then they had half a dozen cameras at best and no or limited replay. Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous. The refs have always been relatively incompetent based upon human capabilities to see and perceive, especially for men in their late 40's and 50's doing the job on a part time basis. Also 25-30 years ago refs gambled on the games with their bookies and used the proceeds to snort angel dust off the ass cracks of male prostitutes. Today the refs gamble on the games on their burner phones and use the proceeds to snort fentanyl off the ass cracks of male prostitutes. iceshack149, Danno, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.
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10-10-2023, 09:25 AM	#46
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,522	Re: NFL Ref’s Rule [QUOTE=AsylumGuido;982851] Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. *The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous.* instantaneous ĭn″stən-tā′nē-əs adjective Occurring or completed without perceptible delay. Now tell everyone that the "instantaneous" reviews do not in any way delay the game. It's the commentators in the booth and the fans watching on TV who actually see it instantaneously. Why can't the NFL have a "Replay Official" seeing what the commentators and TV viewers see ? The NFL could institute the "SKY JUDGE" next week if they so desired. The fact that they don't should have everyone asking "WHY?" The NFL would lose "CONTROL" of the game, that's WHY. The NFL panders to those "FANS" who watch for the "ENTERAINMENT" . Fans like YOU Now tell the Group you've never said that ENTERTAINMENT is what you so cherish! K Major likes this.
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10-10-2023, 10:22 AM	#47
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,237	Re: NFL Ref’s Rule Originally Posted by vpheughan Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Now we have 12-20 cameras at every game. *The those video qualities are incredible and the replay abilities are instantaneous.* instantaneous ĭn″stən-tā′nē-əs adjective Occurring or completed without perceptible delay. Now tell everyone that the "instantaneous" reviews do not in any way delay the game. It's the commentators in the booth and the fans watching on TV who actually see it instantaneously. Why can't the NFL have a "Replay Official" seeing what the commentators and TV viewers see ? The NFL could institute the "SKY JUDGE" next week if they so desired. The fact that they don't should have everyone asking "WHY?" The NFL would lose "CONTROL" of the game, that's WHY. The NFL panders to those "FANS" who watch for the "ENTERAINMENT" . Fans like YOU Now tell the Group you've never said that ENTERTAINMENT is what you so cherish! Off the meds again, vp? The point I was attempting to make that you so horribly missed was that refs have been missing calls since the game started and we only now have the abilities to see what has been magnified by new technologies. And, yes, I am completely entertained by the product. I see no issue with that at all. And, yes, I am a fan. What's wrong with any of that? P.S. What is "enterainment"? Maybe you need to break out that little dictionary of yours again.
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10-10-2023, 04:55 PM	#48
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: NFL Ref’s Rule Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Off the meds again, vp? The point I was attempting to make that you so horribly missed was that refs have been missing calls since the game started and we only now have the abilities to see what has been magnified by new technologies. And, yes, I am completely entertained by the product. I see no issue with that at all. And, yes, I am a fan. What's wrong with any of that? P.S. What is "enterainment"? Maybe you need to break out that little dictionary of yours again. Wrestling is entertainment.....so is football now. It's all basically scripted with a predetermined outcome. Also, The refs are obviously worse now than they were in the past. You don't need dozens of camera angles to see blown calls and it happens in almost every game. The NFL doesn't want competent refs. If they did then the refs should be full time with proper referee coaching. The NFL is a joke!

10-10-2023, 05:00 PM	#49
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,237	Re: NFL Ref’s Rule Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Wrestling is entertainment.....so is football now. It's all basically scripted with a predetermined outcome. Also, The refs are obviously worse now than they were in the past. You don't need dozens of camera angles to see blown calls and it happens in almost every game. The NFL doesn't want competent refs. If they did then the refs should be full time with proper referee coaching. The NFL is a joke! You tell that to any player, Rugs. Tell them that what they are out there putting their bodies on the line for is nothing but scripted and for it to work they have to be faking it all too. Is this what you believe is going on? The NFL makes money hand over fist regardless of what team wins any individual game.

10-10-2023, 07:11 PM	#50
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NFL Ref’s Rule The Chiefs games this year have many people thinking that the NFL is absolutely rigged. Hard to argue against that perception at this point. SmashMouth likes this.