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Maybe the kicker has loved ones who would miss him if our oline did what it has been doing. He could have been rushing himself due to the oline struggles.

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10 of our 17 points came from special teams.

Offense is inept and it shows.

Coaching, play calling, pass protection, top to bottom

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Agreed. He has looked to have gotten better every week. I guess he needed a little time to settle in. I hope he's ok. Kamara will hopefully be a big boost to this offense.

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Either our oline sucks or Arden Key is a generational talent.

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Line is still super challenged, I feel bad for whoever is behind center.

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So they had to punt because of Winston or because of playcalling and penalties? I’m just trying to figure out why the blame goes solely on him? Why is he, the back up, the conversation for disdain when the defense gave up the lead and the kicker pushed a kick right? Offensive line play and playcalling are this teams issue. I’m not saying the guy is a great QB but damn, he ain’t the problem.

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The defense had no time to rest once JW took over the game …. Not an excuse just a fact. After Carr went down the offense scheme did not look the same with JW.

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So, why do our WRs start running the wrong routes when Winston comes in? That's on the coach.

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Pete Carmichael: 'Carr is hurt! We have an excuse! Can someone get me a cocktail? Whats on Netflix?'

This team's leadership thrives on excuses, so its not unexpected what happened once we got one.

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Even with Carr, I don't think we'd have won.

There's been nothing from the first 3 weeks that shows me we'd be any different, no matter who is at QB.

Carr made his own mistakes, missing a few wide open receivers.

O line is atrocious.

It's not like the offense suddenly got worse when Carr went down, they played exactly the same all game as they have the first 2 weeks.

Just this week our D couldn't hold on.

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Guess it could be worse. We could be broncos fans. SP guided them to a 70-20 loss.

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Rez... He is part of the problem. We had the same ****ty playcalling for 3 quarters. That said, it sucks to come off the bench in a moments notice and have pressure to perform. I think I also said I feel bad for anybody who's behind center with our offensive line.

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Good question … bad timing for sure … not good …

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I legit thought you were exaggerating that score. WOW.

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The dolphins need to be on the lookout for the kharma police.

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This.

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Fortunately or unfortunately we will never know if we would have won. I do know we didn't win and the L goes to Winston. O-line sucks, the same amount of suckage with the first two wins. I am not a Carr fan, he has proved nothing to me but Winston..

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LaFleur > Allen with 2nd half adjustments.

Coaches still gotta coach.

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If Carr is down for any length of time I hope JW answers affirmative to all of our questions.

The Oline is only enforcing concerns we have had.

Will they improve?

With each week that hopefully outlook goes fades further back in the rear view mirror.

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That’s piss poor coaching… but don’t blame them around these parts. Blame cleats.

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Saints reporters on Twitter have just said - Carr is expected to be out for a length of time.

Apparently he's in the local hospital, undergoing x-rays for potential internal injuries....

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They do... All factors are the same... one thing changed, same o-line, same play calling. It is not just Winston, but honestly our D balled again, but with our style of D we can't be on the field for the whole quarter. From a team morale standpoint , it is a momentum killer when you lose your QB. If you put yourself in a position that you give up a 17 point lead and depend on a final FG, shame on you. Doesn't negate the fact that Winston sucks.

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SAY IT LOUD, FOR THE FOLKS IN THE BACK…

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So with Winston, I will say that he has a tendency to zone in on one receiver and zip it.

Playing that like obviously negates a bit of the pressure getting to him, but we've all seen his other tendencies when he gets rattled.

Dennis Allen and Pete C need to own this Loss, because they did absolutely nothing in the 2nd half to ignite this team.

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Yep... They don't know how to alter gameplay based on what you have on the field. Also, while the O-Line sucks, my biggest beef with Carr it is like he gets paralyzed. He doesn't even try to avoid a sack. Scratching my head with his style.

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Winston is a better QB than Allen is a HC. The career records say it. Winston is about .500. Allen is about .300. Bring in Marv Lewis who is a career .550 head coach for the rest of the season replacing Allen who is a .300 head coach and you more than make up going from Carr to Winston. Not saying Lewis is good, just better than Allen.

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Well the play calling sucked and so did the guy executing it. Better?

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DAG NAB IT. I wear my number 19 jersey to the Austin “Saints” bar and we lose it on a missed field goal.

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How’s that shredder doing? Maybe feed it some of your memorabilia.

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Throw in Doug Marrone as well :(.

Not sure what is going on with that oline but even Ramz & Mckoy look bad.

Apparently that 27th oline ranking by PFF has some merit. AK will have to become Barry Sanders next week :brood: .

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He executed the same as everybody else does in Carmichael’s offense.

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I guess we’ll get Sean Payton back after he gets fired in a couple more weeks.

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I think it was more that they stayed on the field so much cause the offense couldn't give them time to rest. If we only had a QB that could pick up some first downs, we'd have won that game.

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When this team is healthy, we are one of the best in the league so I know good things are going to come if Carr returns, so that's the only thing I'm really worried about.

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This has been a relatively healthy squad & the O hadn’t really done much before Carr’s injury.

It’s more of a coaching issue for us.

Carmichael shouldn’t be calling plays. Rasheed had no targets today.

No creativity to get the ball in the hands of a playmaker.

That’s insane to me.

Maybe Gruden should have stuck around longer at camp 🤷🏼.

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Easiest schedule in the league and games have been decided by 1 or 2 points every week.

Derek had some great plays, but it's not like we've just lost Brees. Don't get me wrong, I want him back as the starter, but let's not pretend the offense was setting the world alight with him, because they weren't.

O line will make or break this team, and currently they are doing the latter.

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Yeah obviously our dominating 1 point victory over the 7-10 Titans and 3 point victory over the 7-10 Panthers are equally impressive to the Dolphins 70-20 win over Denver, the Cowboys 40-0 win over the playoff Giants, and the 49ers 3-0 record with 30 points every game and a combined 48 point margin of victory. If we just had Penning, Hurst, McCoy, Ruiz, and Ramczyk healthy, NFC rivals like Nick Bosa and Michael Parsons would be be quaking in their boots. They probably just wouldn't even show up, much less even touch Carr behind that inpenetrable steel curtain. No doubt we are elite in a class of our own. Just need Roaf and Evans to come back at 100%.

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Saints have 4 former 1st rounders on the current O line 😳.

And they’ve sucked BADLY 3 weeks straight.

Coaching (Marrone & Pete) is a problem on Metarie Drive.

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And… Dennis Allen will be the next Lombardi. He just needs three or four more years to develop a style.

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At least the Panthers AND Falcons lost today.

Hopefully the Bucs lose tomorrow night vs Philly.