Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers

MatthewT · 09-25-2023, 08:08 AM

We may have gotten the 2022 version of Carr, he has struggled the entire year so far. But with that said, seems to have a big edge over Winston when it comes to game management. Had he not gotten hurt, I would have to think Carr at least is able to eat a little more time off the clock to prevent the Packers from coming back in the end.

Shame on Grupe for missing an easy 46 yard field goal to give the Saints another chance. As bad as Winston looked, to his credit he did at least get the team in position to take a late lead.

The front line was so bad that Peat may have gotten his job back. At least for a short while when he came into the game things seemed to settle down. It's hard to say why this group is struggling so bad, even Ram isn't playing up to his usual level.

Play calling is very suspect, Miller and Jones wasn't exactly lighting it up, but was getting steady yards. And with a front line struggling so bad, where is the screen passing game? OK, so Kamara isn't playing, maybe some WR screens or something?

As for a temporary replacement QB to fill out the roster, I would go Josh Johnson. I know that sounds crazy, but he may be the only guy available who can at least run out of the pocket to avoid some of the pass rush. Maybe Taysom Hill needs to start over Winston for the same reason?

Rsanders24 · 09-25-2023, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

We may have gotten the 2022 version of Carr, he has struggled the entire year so far. But with that said, seems to have a big edge over Winston when it comes to game management. Had he not gotten hurt, I would have to think Carr at least is able to eat a little more time off the clock to prevent the Packers from coming back in the end.

Shame on Grupe for missing an easy 46 yard field goal to give the Saints another chance. As bad as Winston looked, to his credit he did at least get the team in position to take a late lead.

The front line was so bad that Peat may have gotten his job back. At least for a short while when he came into the game things seemed to settle down. It's hard to say why this group is struggling so bad, even Ram isn't playing up to his usual level.

Play calling is very suspect, Miller and Jones wasn't exactly lighting it up, but was getting steady yards. And with a front line struggling so bad, where is the screen passing game? OK, so Kamara isn't playing, maybe some WR screens or something?

As for a temporary replacement QB to fill out the roster, I would go Josh Johnson. I know that sounds crazy, but he may be the only guy available who can at least run out of the pocket to avoid some of the pass rush. Maybe Taysom Hill needs to start over Winston for the same reason?

Please share one good stat that Carr has this season. Stop with the “Winston played terrible” narrative…that is pure BS. Neither QB was effective and Winston had damn near the same stats as Carr with less playing time in the game. Plus as soon as he got things going they pull him for Hill and MT gets a hold call that sets them back. Not to mention the WR forgot the plays cause several of them were running the incorrect routes.

This was a coaching failure in the 4th quarter of epic proportions.

MatthewT · 09-25-2023, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

Please share one good stat that Carr has this season. Stop with the “Winston played terrible” narrative…that is pure BS. Neither QB was effective and Winston had damn near the same stats as Carr with less playing time in the game. Plus as soon as he got things going they pull him for Hill and MT gets a hold call that sets them back. Not to mention the WR forgot the plays cause several of them were running the incorrect routes.

This was a coaching failure in the 4th quarter of epic proportions.

Before you jump all over me, go back and read the very first thing I mentioned about Carr, and yes, Winston is not a good fit for the Saints.

Rsanders24 · 09-25-2023, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Before you jump all over me, go back and read the very first thing I mentioned about Carr, and yes, Winston is not a good fit for the Saints.

Not jumping on you…just tired of the Carr vs Winston talk. It is completely pointless because the issue is that the offensive scheme doesn’t benefit either of the QBs we have.

Let me ask you this though. What has Carr shown in the past or present that show he is a good fit. I don’t think either of them are good fit for the current offense and I’ve said that before.

This team needs to address the elephant in the room and that is the offensive scheme. It’s not conducive for either QB.

rezburna · 09-25-2023, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

Not jumping on you…just tired of the Carr vs Winston talk. It is completely pointless because the issue is that the offensive scheme doesn’t benefit either of the QBs we have.

Let me ask you this though. What has Carr shown in the past or present that show he is a good fit. I don’t think either of them are good fit for the current offense and I’ve said that before.

This team needs to address the elephant in the room and that is the offensive scheme. It’s not conducive for either QB.

+1

Danno · 09-25-2023, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

Not jumping on you…just tired of the Carr vs Winston talk. It is completely pointless because the issue is that the offensive scheme doesn’t benefit either of the QBs we have.

Let me ask you this though. What has Carr shown in the past or present that show he is a good fit. I don’t think either of them are good fit for the current offense and I’ve said that before.

This team needs to address the elephant in the room and that is the offensive scheme. It’s not conducive for either QB.

What scheme should we be running?

Rsanders24 · 09-25-2023, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

What scheme should we be running?

I’m not an OC but I think we can all see it’s not a good offense. Get the QBs on the move and slide protection, hell…something different than we have seen.

We aren’t the only team with o-line issues. We have too much talent and speed on offense to be this pedestrian. On paper with MT, RS, CO, and the TEs we have something is wrong. With AK back we should be a top 10 offense easily.

Everyone thought that Carr was going to improve the offense…well three weeks in and against sub par defenses, it stinks.

If you think the scheme is fine, please elaborate on what the issue is.

I’m not against either QB but I haven’t seen anything this season that makes me believe that we will have anything close on offense to what we expected.

rezburna · 09-25-2023, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

What scheme should we be running?

I’ve asked for more motion. We should be motioning in almost every play. We need more bubble screens. We need more runs outside of the numbers. We need to push the ball down the field everytime there’s a one on one match up. I could go on and on about things I want to see but don’t.

K Major · 09-25-2023, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’ve asked for more motion. We should be motioning in almost every play. We need more bubble screens. We need more runs outside of the numbers. We need to push the ball down the field everytime there’s a one on one match up. I could go on and on about things I want to see but don’t.

The crazy thing here is that the Saints have PLAYMAKERS to make this work.

AK, Shaheed (not targeted once on yesterday), Olave, Miller, Taysom Hill.

I don't know what the OC's name down in Miami is, however his play selection is creative as hell.

WW_Who_Dat · 09-25-2023, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

What scheme should we be running?

Watching the SF-Giants KC- Bears almost every play has motion to get a tell on the defensive coverage, zone, man, who’s isolated single coverage and then attack.
Looks dynamic because it is constantly forcing the defense to identify, communicate and adjust before the every snap.

Watching the Saints play is it
1.Offensive Line
2.Offensive Line Coaching
3.Scheme
Is it 1, 2 or all 3?

We will not have a healthy QB left at this pace by game 10 when the opponents DLine can Tee-off on our QB on too many 3rd and long.

On pace to allow 68 sacks … fix the first 2 and scheme will MIGHT resolve itself with … or not. Either way you have an answer.

09-25-2023, 08:08 AM	#1
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers We may have gotten the 2022 version of Carr, he has struggled the entire year so far. But with that said, seems to have a big edge over Winston when it comes to game management. Had he not gotten hurt, I would have to think Carr at least is able to eat a little more time off the clock to prevent the Packers from coming back in the end. Shame on Grupe for missing an easy 46 yard field goal to give the Saints another chance. As bad as Winston looked, to his credit he did at least get the team in position to take a late lead. The front line was so bad that Peat may have gotten his job back. At least for a short while when he came into the game things seemed to settle down. It's hard to say why this group is struggling so bad, even Ram isn't playing up to his usual level. Play calling is very suspect, Miller and Jones wasn't exactly lighting it up, but was getting steady yards. And with a front line struggling so bad, where is the screen passing game? OK, so Kamara isn't playing, maybe some WR screens or something? As for a temporary replacement QB to fill out the roster, I would go Josh Johnson. I know that sounds crazy, but he may be the only guy available who can at least run out of the pocket to avoid some of the pass rush. Maybe Taysom Hill needs to start over Winston for the same reason?

09-25-2023, 08:43 AM	#2
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by MatthewT We may have gotten the 2022 version of Carr, he has struggled the entire year so far. But with that said, seems to have a big edge over Winston when it comes to game management. Had he not gotten hurt, I would have to think Carr at least is able to eat a little more time off the clock to prevent the Packers from coming back in the end. Shame on Grupe for missing an easy 46 yard field goal to give the Saints another chance. As bad as Winston looked, to his credit he did at least get the team in position to take a late lead. The front line was so bad that Peat may have gotten his job back. At least for a short while when he came into the game things seemed to settle down. It's hard to say why this group is struggling so bad, even Ram isn't playing up to his usual level. Play calling is very suspect, Miller and Jones wasn't exactly lighting it up, but was getting steady yards. And with a front line struggling so bad, where is the screen passing game? OK, so Kamara isn't playing, maybe some WR screens or something? As for a temporary replacement QB to fill out the roster, I would go Josh Johnson. I know that sounds crazy, but he may be the only guy available who can at least run out of the pocket to avoid some of the pass rush. Maybe Taysom Hill needs to start over Winston for the same reason? Please share one good stat that Carr has this season. Stop with the “Winston played terrible” narrative…that is pure BS. Neither QB was effective and Winston had damn near the same stats as Carr with less playing time in the game. Plus as soon as he got things going they pull him for Hill and MT gets a hold call that sets them back. Not to mention the WR forgot the plays cause several of them were running the incorrect routes. This was a coaching failure in the 4th quarter of epic proportions. darstep and rezburna like this.

09-25-2023, 09:01 AM	#3
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Rsanders24 Please share one good stat that Carr has this season. Stop with the “Winston played terrible” narrative…that is pure BS. Neither QB was effective and Winston had damn near the same stats as Carr with less playing time in the game. Plus as soon as he got things going they pull him for Hill and MT gets a hold call that sets them back. Not to mention the WR forgot the plays cause several of them were running the incorrect routes. This was a coaching failure in the 4th quarter of epic proportions. Before you jump all over me, go back and read the very first thing I mentioned about Carr, and yes, Winston is not a good fit for the Saints.

09-25-2023, 11:54 AM	#4
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by MatthewT Before you jump all over me, go back and read the very first thing I mentioned about Carr, and yes, Winston is not a good fit for the Saints. Not jumping on you…just tired of the Carr vs Winston talk. It is completely pointless because the issue is that the offensive scheme doesn’t benefit either of the QBs we have. Let me ask you this though. What has Carr shown in the past or present that show he is a good fit. I don’t think either of them are good fit for the current offense and I’ve said that before. This team needs to address the elephant in the room and that is the offensive scheme. It’s not conducive for either QB. MatthewT, WW_Who_Dat and rezburna like this.

09-25-2023, 01:22 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,110	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Rsanders24 Not jumping on you…just tired of the Carr vs Winston talk. It is completely pointless because the issue is that the offensive scheme doesn’t benefit either of the QBs we have. Let me ask you this though. What has Carr shown in the past or present that show he is a good fit. I don’t think either of them are good fit for the current offense and I’ve said that before. This team needs to address the elephant in the room and that is the offensive scheme. It’s not conducive for either QB. +1

09-25-2023, 03:03 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Rsanders24 Not jumping on you…just tired of the Carr vs Winston talk. It is completely pointless because the issue is that the offensive scheme doesn’t benefit either of the QBs we have. Let me ask you this though. What has Carr shown in the past or present that show he is a good fit. I don’t think either of them are good fit for the current offense and I’ve said that before. This team needs to address the elephant in the room and that is the offensive scheme. It’s not conducive for either QB. What scheme should we be running?

09-25-2023, 03:28 PM	#7
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Danno What scheme should we be running? I’m not an OC but I think we can all see it’s not a good offense. Get the QBs on the move and slide protection, hell…something different than we have seen. We aren’t the only team with o-line issues. We have too much talent and speed on offense to be this pedestrian. On paper with MT, RS, CO, and the TEs we have something is wrong. With AK back we should be a top 10 offense easily. Everyone thought that Carr was going to improve the offense…well three weeks in and against sub par defenses, it stinks. If you think the scheme is fine, please elaborate on what the issue is. I’m not against either QB but I haven’t seen anything this season that makes me believe that we will have anything close on offense to what we expected. K Major likes this.

09-25-2023, 03:42 PM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,110	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Danno What scheme should we be running? I’ve asked for more motion. We should be motioning in almost every play. We need more bubble screens. We need more runs outside of the numbers. We need to push the ball down the field everytime there’s a one on one match up. I could go on and on about things I want to see but don’t. Danno, MatthewT, Rsanders24 and 3 others like this.

09-25-2023, 04:16 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by rezburna I’ve asked for more motion. We should be motioning in almost every play. We need more bubble screens. We need more runs outside of the numbers. We need to push the ball down the field everytime there’s a one on one match up. I could go on and on about things I want to see but don’t. The crazy thing here is that the Saints have PLAYMAKERS to make this work. AK, Shaheed (not targeted once on yesterday), Olave, Miller, Taysom Hill. I don't know what the OC's name down in Miami is, however his play selection is creative as hell. WW_Who_Dat and rezburna like this.

09-25-2023, 04:01 PM	#10
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,279 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Danno What scheme should we be running? Watching the SF-Giants KC- Bears almost every play has motion to get a tell on the defensive coverage, zone, man, who’s isolated single coverage and then attack. Looks dynamic because it is constantly forcing the defense to identify, communicate and adjust before the every snap. Watching the Saints play is it 1.Offensive Line 2.Offensive Line Coaching 3.Scheme Is it 1, 2 or all 3? We will not have a healthy QB left at this pace by game 10 when the opponents DLine can Tee-off on our QB on too many 3rd and long. On pace to allow 68 sacks … fix the first 2 and scheme will MIGHT resolve itself with … or not. Either way you have an answer.

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