COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…”

BakoSaint · 10-03-2023, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Now that I can see. The whole problem would be continuity at this point and that solves that issue. You can't bring in someone at this time and change everything. But you can change how what you have is used.

Carmichael demoted or fired, Curry becomes OC and calls plays, but preserves basic scheme. This would actually provide more continuity. The problem with having Curry call plays while Carmichael technically is still OC is that if it works and we win, continuity will end next year when Curry becomes the Falcons OC and we are stuck with Carmichael who cant call plays. You have to give the title if you want to protect them. Thats why we lost both DC’s from last year, we wouldnt give either the title.

K Major · 10-03-2023, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Carmichael demoted or fired, Curry becomes OC and calls plays, but preserves basic scheme. This would actually provide more continuity. The problem with having Curry call plays while Carmichael technically is still OC is that if it works and we win, continuity will end next year when Curry becomes the Falcons OC and we are stuck with Carmichael who cant call plays. You have to give the title if you want to protect them. Thats why we lost both DC’s from last year, we wouldnt give either the title.

I can't even remember when (if ever) the last time a OC was fired in season. The only guy I can recall stinking it up so badly was Bill O'Brien however he was a Head Coach.

Pete Carmichael should have never been retained after last season.

We gave the keys back to a guy driving a Bugatti with a revoked license.

BakoSaint · 10-03-2023, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I can't even remember when (if ever) the last time a OC was fired in season. The only guy I can recall stinking it up so badly was Bill O'Brien however he was a Head Coach.

Pete Carmichael should have never been retained after last season.

We gave the keys back to a guy driving a Bugatti with a revoked license.

Here is a good overview of coordinators fired in season. The Ravens fired OC Cam Cameron in season in 2012 and went on to win the Super Bowl. So it can work, but often doesnt.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2018/11/...l-austin-fired

Evn if 2/3rds it wont help, I think firing PC is worth a shot because we have to try something. If we keep playing like this and losing games to weak teams DA must go after this season. I dont care if he can bring in Andy Reid as his OC next year, I am done with DA as coach if he has a 5th losing season in a row as HC. I cant wait until after 2025 season to see if DA is the problem so thats why I prefer a new PC now. If DA wants to stick with PC fine, but if it doesnt work this year they both need to go.

voodooido · 10-04-2023, 05:30 PM

Someone else needs to call the plays for the offense. With all of our weapons this is crazy

AsylumGuido · 10-04-2023, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Someone else needs to call the plays for the offense. With all of our weapons this is crazy

I agree with something saintsfan1967 pointed out earlier and that is that if things don't improve offensively very soon I'd like to see RB coach Ronald Curry be given a chance calling plays. He did it for a couple of the preseason games and I thought he did a good job.

However, the lack of motion and other such creativity in the play design is an issue, as much as is the play calling and that is on Carmichael as OC. If all you have available is vanilla that's the only flavor you are going to have to call come game time.

AsylumGuido · 10-04-2023, 05:40 PM

Good insight from Kamara in this interview.

He pretty much calls out the play calling more than once in this interview.

Edit: To be honest, this is a great interview. Kamara tells it like it is.

He also mentions the frustrations with people "talking ****" about Olave quitting or giving up.

Sinner · 10-04-2023, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Good insight from Kamara in this interview.

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...77159701160228

He pretty much calls out the play calling more than once in this interview.

Edit: To be honest, this is a great interview. Kamara tells it like it is.

He also mentions the frustrations with people "talking ****" about Olave quitting or giving up.

Problem is, it’s not up to AK to change anything, it’s a COACHING ISSUE, AND WE NEED A NEW COACH.

mapcow · 10-05-2023, 11:04 AM

...this is rich.... expecting to take advice from a thug.

AsylumGuido · 10-05-2023, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

...this is rich.... expecting to take advice from a thug.

I respect his opinion far more than I do yours, my cowboy friend.

mapcow · 10-05-2023, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I respect his opinion far more than I do yours, my cowboy friend.

losers usually do.

10-03-2023, 09:16 PM	#21
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,134	Re: COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…” Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Now that I can see. The whole problem would be continuity at this point and that solves that issue. You can't bring in someone at this time and change everything. But you can change how what you have is used. Carmichael demoted or fired, Curry becomes OC and calls plays, but preserves basic scheme. This would actually provide more continuity. The problem with having Curry call plays while Carmichael technically is still OC is that if it works and we win, continuity will end next year when Curry becomes the Falcons OC and we are stuck with Carmichael who cant call plays. You have to give the title if you want to protect them. Thats why we lost both DC’s from last year, we wouldnt give either the title. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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10-03-2023, 10:21 PM	#22
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…” Originally Posted by BakoSaint Carmichael demoted or fired, Curry becomes OC and calls plays, but preserves basic scheme. This would actually provide more continuity. The problem with having Curry call plays while Carmichael technically is still OC is that if it works and we win, continuity will end next year when Curry becomes the Falcons OC and we are stuck with Carmichael who cant call plays. You have to give the title if you want to protect them. Thats why we lost both DC’s from last year, we wouldnt give either the title. I can't even remember when (if ever) the last time a OC was fired in season. The only guy I can recall stinking it up so badly was Bill O'Brien however he was a Head Coach. Pete Carmichael should have never been retained after last season. We gave the keys back to a guy driving a Bugatti with a revoked license. Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

10-03-2023, 10:35 PM	#23
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,134	Re: COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…” Originally Posted by K Major I can't even remember when (if ever) the last time a OC was fired in season. The only guy I can recall stinking it up so badly was Bill O'Brien however he was a Head Coach. Pete Carmichael should have never been retained after last season. We gave the keys back to a guy driving a Bugatti with a revoked license. Here is a good overview of coordinators fired in season. The Ravens fired OC Cam Cameron in season in 2012 and went on to win the Super Bowl. So it can work, but often doesnt. https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2018/11/...l-austin-fired Evn if 2/3rds it wont help, I think firing PC is worth a shot because we have to try something. If we keep playing like this and losing games to weak teams DA must go after this season. I dont care if he can bring in Andy Reid as his OC next year, I am done with DA as coach if he has a 5th losing season in a row as HC. I cant wait until after 2025 season to see if DA is the problem so thats why I prefer a new PC now. If DA wants to stick with PC fine, but if it doesnt work this year they both need to go.
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10-04-2023, 05:30 PM	#24
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…” Someone else needs to call the plays for the offense. With all of our weapons this is crazy
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,203	Re: COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…” Originally Posted by voodooido Someone else needs to call the plays for the offense. With all of our weapons this is crazy I agree with something saintsfan1967 pointed out earlier and that is that if things don't improve offensively very soon I'd like to see RB coach Ronald Curry be given a chance calling plays. He did it for a couple of the preseason games and I thought he did a good job. However, the lack of motion and other such creativity in the play design is an issue, as much as is the play calling and that is on Carmichael as OC. If all you have available is vanilla that's the only flavor you are going to have to call come game time.
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10-04-2023, 05:40 PM	#26
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,203	Re: COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…” Good insight from Kamara in this interview. Twitter He pretty much calls out the play calling more than once in this interview. Edit: To be honest, this is a great interview. Kamara tells it like it is. He also mentions the frustrations with people "talking ****" about Olave quitting or giving up.

10-04-2023, 06:17 PM	#27
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,873	Re: COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…” Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Good insight from Kamara in this interview. https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...77159701160228 He pretty much calls out the play calling more than once in this interview. Edit: To be honest, this is a great interview. Kamara tells it like it is. He also mentions the frustrations with people "talking ****" about Olave quitting or giving up. Problem is, it’s not up to AK to change anything, it’s a COACHING ISSUE, AND WE NEED A NEW COACH. K Major and BakoSaint like this.
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10-05-2023, 11:04 AM	#28
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,753	Re: COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…” ...this is rich.... expecting to take advice from a thug. Sinner likes this.
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10-05-2023, 01:13 PM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,203	Re: COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…” Originally Posted by mapcow ...this is rich.... expecting to take advice from a thug. I respect his opinion far more than I do yours, my cowboy friend.

10-05-2023, 01:43 PM	#30
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,753	Re: COACH ALLEN SAYS “NO STAFF CHANGES FORTHCOMING…” Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I respect his opinion far more than I do yours, my cowboy friend. losers usually do.
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