Observations from the Saints loss to the Texans

Sinner · 10-16-2023, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Nope, that alone will not fix everything. Coaching staff and front office isn't getting it done for sure. If it doesn't get better we will see what type of ownership the Saints have, meaning will she have the guts to fire the entire front office and coaching staff or does she leave it alone.

She leaves it alone. Watch. We’re in trouble.

Rugby Saint II · 10-16-2023, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

She leaves it alone. Watch. We’re in trouble.

I hope that Gayle Benson sits down with Mickey Loomis and has a heartfelt discussion on how to fix the team. If not.....rinse and repeat!

K Major · 10-16-2023, 11:28 AM

I won’t try to defend DCarr here but it’s hard to
complete passes when you’re being pressured over 50% of your
drop back passes.

The entire oline is not holding up.

But yeah Carr is still holding on to the ball too long & guys are still
running closely into each other on routes.

Miscommunication should have been cleaned up weeks ago.

WW_Who_Dat · 10-16-2023, 11:56 AM

Applying the principle of Occums Razor to the Saints current offensive performance, the simplest explanation is the one constant over the last 2 seasons. Players have changed but the 2 constant has been the person responsible for the offensive game planning and play calling and the head coach who doubled down on that person after last season.

Allen staked his future and the team future on Carmichael leading the offense. Just a fan’s opinion but from what I see PC could use all the motion and play action in his play book, but the lack of a cohesive offensive scheme that attacks the defense with a coordinated plan of attack putting players in position to win matchups and setup defenses later in the game. Hit one shot play the run 5 straight times .. that’s not the ticket.

Players not running the right route based on coverage 6 weeks into the season … coaching. If the player has been coached up during install and is still making these mistakes they should have been bench by now.

What we hear coming from the players post game comments are sanitized for public consumption. My guess behind closed doors the veterans are trying to hold the younger players and team together but they all know the root cause.

dizzle88 · 10-16-2023, 12:02 PM

I knew we'd lose the second Baun fumbled that pick right back to them. It's typical Saints BS.

Offense shows NE game was a fluke. Grupe missing the shortest kick, any team has had this season.

Olave jogging through routes until the 2nd half, not looking for the ball on a deep route.

This Saints team stinks. An absolute bore-fest to watch when it's just Death by ineptitude.

MatthewT · 10-16-2023, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I knew we'd lose the second Baun fumbled that pick right back to them. It's typical Saints BS.

Offense shows NE game was a fluke. Grupe missing the shortest kick, any team has had this season.

Olave jogging through routes until the 2nd half, not looking for the ball on a deep route.

This Saints team stinks. An absolute bore-fest to watch when it's just Death by ineptitude.

I know this is going to be a very unpopular statement, but it may be time to seriously consider putting Olave on the trading block. I know this is a very talented number 1 type of receiver, but we are now seeing a pattern of unacceptable behavior over the past few weeks. These type of issues normally do not improve over time.

dizzle88 · 10-16-2023, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

I know this is going to be a very unpopular statement, but it may be time to seriously consider putting Olave on the trading block. I know this is a very talented number 1 type of receiver, but we are now seeing a pattern of unacceptable behavior over the past few weeks. These type of issues normally do not improve over time.

Honestly, Shaheed is better than him anyway and MT never gives up.

Olave's body language and demeanor is frustrating to watch.

We know you don't like losing Chris, but imagine being a fan, who has no power to change the outcome, still using what's left of their measly paycheck, to watch you give 40% effort every play.

AT Perry is waiting on the sideline every game, see if he has anything!

Why we've signed all these TE's, including the 6'7 Jimmy Graham and he never gets used in the redzone is peak ineptitude.

Rell&Gold · 10-17-2023, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Honestly, Shaheed is better than him anyway and MT never gives up.

Olave's body language and demeanor is frustrating to watch.

We know you don't like losing Chris, but imagine being a fan, who has no power to change the outcome, still using what's left of their measly paycheck, to watch you give 40% effort every play.

AT Perry is waiting on the sideline every game, see if he has anything!

Why we've signed all these TE's, including the 6'7 Jimmy Graham and he never gets used in the redzone is peak ineptitude.

TBH Dizzle I felt like that since last year, about Rasheed being better than Olave the difference is they spent a 1st ROUND pick on one guy.

leilung · 10-17-2023, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Honestly, Shaheed is better than him anyway and MT never gives up.

Olave's body language and demeanor is frustrating to watch.

We know you don't like losing Chris, but imagine being a fan, who has no power to change the outcome, still using what's left of their measly paycheck, to watch you give 40% effort every play.

AT Perry is waiting on the sideline every game, see if he has anything!

Why we've signed all these TE's, including the 6'7 Jimmy Graham and he never gets used in the redzone is peak ineptitude.

I'll caveat that statement on Olave by questioning the severity of his toe injury (listed on the past several weeks of the injury report). If this dude is running routes on a lower grade turf toe injury, that's a knock on coaches allowing it! I'd like to think that his 'body language' just may be him trying to play through an injury as opposed to just giving up!

AsylumGuido · 10-17-2023, 10:45 AM

10-16-2023, 12:35 PM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: Observations from the Saints loss to the Texans Originally Posted by MatthewT Nope, that alone will not fix everything. Coaching staff and front office isn't getting it done for sure. If it doesn't get better we will see what type of ownership the Saints have, meaning will she have the guts to fire the entire front office and coaching staff or does she leave it alone. She leaves it alone. Watch. We’re in trouble. MatthewT and K Major like this.
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10-16-2023, 12:49 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Observations from the Saints loss to the Texans Originally Posted by Sinner She leaves it alone. Watch. We’re in trouble. I hope that Gayle Benson sits down with Mickey Loomis and has a heartfelt discussion on how to fix the team. If not.....rinse and repeat!

10-16-2023, 11:28 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints loss to the Texans I won’t try to defend DCarr here but it’s hard to complete passes when you’re being pressured over 50% of your drop back passes. The entire oline is not holding up. But yeah Carr is still holding on to the ball too long & guys are still running closely into each other on routes. Miscommunication should have been cleaned up weeks ago. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-16-2023, 11:56 AM	#4
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,277 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints loss to the Texans Applying the principle of Occums Razor to the Saints current offensive performance, the simplest explanation is the one constant over the last 2 seasons. Players have changed but the 2 constant has been the person responsible for the offensive game planning and play calling and the head coach who doubled down on that person after last season. Allen staked his future and the team future on Carmichael leading the offense. Just a fan’s opinion but from what I see PC could use all the motion and play action in his play book, but the lack of a cohesive offensive scheme that attacks the defense with a coordinated plan of attack putting players in position to win matchups and setup defenses later in the game. Hit one shot play the run 5 straight times .. that’s not the ticket. Players not running the right route based on coverage 6 weeks into the season … coaching. If the player has been coached up during install and is still making these mistakes they should have been bench by now. What we hear coming from the players post game comments are sanitized for public consumption. My guess behind closed doors the veterans are trying to hold the younger players and team together but they all know the root cause.

10-16-2023, 12:02 PM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Observations from the Saints loss to the Texans I knew we'd lose the second Baun fumbled that pick right back to them. It's typical Saints BS. Offense shows NE game was a fluke. Grupe missing the shortest kick, any team has had this season. Olave jogging through routes until the 2nd half, not looking for the ball on a deep route. This Saints team stinks. An absolute bore-fest to watch when it's just Death by ineptitude. MatthewT, Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

10-16-2023, 12:25 PM	#6
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Observations from the Saints loss to the Texans Originally Posted by dizzle88 I knew we'd lose the second Baun fumbled that pick right back to them. It's typical Saints BS. Offense shows NE game was a fluke. Grupe missing the shortest kick, any team has had this season. Olave jogging through routes until the 2nd half, not looking for the ball on a deep route. This Saints team stinks. An absolute bore-fest to watch when it's just Death by ineptitude. I know this is going to be a very unpopular statement, but it may be time to seriously consider putting Olave on the trading block. I know this is a very talented number 1 type of receiver, but we are now seeing a pattern of unacceptable behavior over the past few weeks. These type of issues normally do not improve over time. dizzle88 likes this.

10-16-2023, 12:34 PM	#7
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Observations from the Saints loss to the Texans Originally Posted by MatthewT I know this is going to be a very unpopular statement, but it may be time to seriously consider putting Olave on the trading block. I know this is a very talented number 1 type of receiver, but we are now seeing a pattern of unacceptable behavior over the past few weeks. These type of issues normally do not improve over time. Honestly, Shaheed is better than him anyway and MT never gives up. Olave's body language and demeanor is frustrating to watch. We know you don't like losing Chris, but imagine being a fan, who has no power to change the outcome, still using what's left of their measly paycheck, to watch you give 40% effort every play. AT Perry is waiting on the sideline every game, see if he has anything! Why we've signed all these TE's, including the 6'7 Jimmy Graham and he never gets used in the redzone is peak ineptitude. MatthewT likes this.

10-17-2023, 03:53 AM	#8
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Observations from the Saints loss to the Texans Originally Posted by dizzle88 Honestly, Shaheed is better than him anyway and MT never gives up. Olave's body language and demeanor is frustrating to watch. We know you don't like losing Chris, but imagine being a fan, who has no power to change the outcome, still using what's left of their measly paycheck, to watch you give 40% effort every play. AT Perry is waiting on the sideline every game, see if he has anything! Why we've signed all these TE's, including the 6'7 Jimmy Graham and he never gets used in the redzone is peak ineptitude. TBH Dizzle I felt like that since last year, about Rasheed being better than Olave the difference is they spent a 1st ROUND pick on one guy.

10-17-2023, 05:51 AM	#9
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,421	Re: Observations from the Saints loss to the Texans Originally Posted by dizzle88 Honestly, Shaheed is better than him anyway and MT never gives up. Olave's body language and demeanor is frustrating to watch. We know you don't like losing Chris, but imagine being a fan, who has no power to change the outcome, still using what's left of their measly paycheck, to watch you give 40% effort every play. AT Perry is waiting on the sideline every game, see if he has anything! Why we've signed all these TE's, including the 6'7 Jimmy Graham and he never gets used in the redzone is peak ineptitude. I'll caveat that statement on Olave by questioning the severity of his toe injury (listed on the past several weeks of the injury report). If this dude is running routes on a lower grade turf toe injury, that's a knock on coaches allowing it! I'd like to think that his 'body language' just may be him trying to play through an injury as opposed to just giving up!

10-17-2023, 10:45 AM	#10
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