DENNIS ALLEN…

Sinner · 11-13-2023, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Let me clarify. I want to fire Pete Carmichael before we play Atlanta and see if we can improve under Dennis Allen before the playoffs. Regardless, this team is going nowhere if we make the playoffs under Allens passive demeanor and lackadaisical approach to coaching. He needs to do a better job than repeating keep doing what you're doing. This approach isn't going to fix this teams coaching multiple problems. Grow a a pair!

Dennis Allen needed to be gone last year.

TheOak · 11-20-2023, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Let me clarify. I want to fire Pete Carmichael before we play Atlanta and see if we can improve under Dennis Allen before the playoffs. Regardless, this team is going nowhere if we make the playoffs under Allens passive demeanor and lackadaisical approach to coaching. He needs to do a better job than repeating keep doing what you're doing. This approach isn't going to fix this teams coaching multiple problems. Grow a a pair!

The optics on that:

1. Pete Carmichael is a scapegoat.

2. It says Dennis Allen believes he has the right play book but Pete cant call plays. If Dennis were talented enough to know the wrong plays are being called, why isn't he calling the right plays now?

3. Pete Carmichael was the OC for the 2009 Super Bowl Champions, did he turn like sour milk? (Sean was calling most of the plays)

Here is the Billion Dollar question... Was it Sean calling our plays for years, or Pete? Based on the biggest drop off in performance coming after 2020 I can make a very strong argument that it was Drew calling the plays on the field.

BakoSaint · 11-13-2023, 10:49 PM

Apparently the Saints are 1-11 under Dennis Allen against teams with better than .500 record. That is 1 win in 12 games. If we make the playoffs as winner of the weakest division, all 4 games we would need to win for a championship would most likely be against teams with a better than .500 record. This makes it easy to calculate our chances of a ring if we make the playoffs: 1/12 * 1/12 * 1/12 * 1/12 = 1/(12^4) = 1 in 20,736.

Having more fun with statistics, this is Dennis Allen's 5th season as head coach. If he lucks into the playoffs due to our weak schedule, perhaps he can continue to luck into the playoffs every 5 years.

So to figure out how many years it will take Dennis Allen to bring us a ring we can simply take a 1 in 5 seasons chance of making the playoffs and multiply it by the 1 in 20,736 chance of winning a ring with a 1 in 12 win rate against winning teams. So, if we just keep Dennis Allen as head coach for 103,680 years our patience will be rewarded!

Oh and the 1 win we got against an over .500 team? It was against Philly with Minshew, a predictable let down game of a team knowing they will get a pass without their starter.

K Major · 11-14-2023, 08:59 AM

Saints are currently ranked #7 in penalties.

That's a huge problem. Notice the number of false starts in that graph. We are double more than anyone else on DPI. I thought defense was DA's strong suit?

No accountability from Dennis Allen.

K Major · 11-14-2023, 10:38 AM

Bills fire OC Ken Dorsey

These are the type of moves ^^^^ that the Saints should be making today, during a bye week. One franchise (Bills) gets embarassed by a non contender on MNF, has aspirations of getting back to the SB & makes an immediate change, and other (Saints) just "hopes" to squeak into the post season & has a HC publicly say "no changes will be made" on the coaching staff after losing to a back up QB on the road

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Mindset needs to change on Airline Dr.

Mr.Riaton · 11-14-2023, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Bills fire OC Ken Dorsey

These are the type of moves ^^^^ that the Saints should be making today, during a bye week. One franchise (Bills) gets embarassed by a non contender on MNF, has aspirations of getting back to the SB & makes an immediate change, and other (Saints) just "hopes" to squeak into the post season & has a HC publicly say "no changes will be made" on the coaching staff after losing to a back up QB on the road .

Mindset needs to change on Airline Dr.

Absolutely agree with all this!
I would love to see Carmichael replaced, and rightly so, but man Allen’s complacency for mediocrity is alarming. The fact that he or Loomis does nothing week after week aggravates the fkn crap out of me

papz · 11-14-2023, 10:44 AM

I know we complain about our OC and rightfully so, but Ken Dorsey was significantly worse than Carmichael. Mercy was he bad. I'm surprised he made it through more than half the season.

leilung · 11-14-2023, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I know we complain about our OC and rightfully so, but Ken Dorsey was significantly worse than Carmichael. Mercy was he bad. I'm surprised he made it through more than half the season.

I think his point is that the Bills had the balls to pull the trigger on their OC. That indicates that the front office has a vested interest in being competitive in the home stretch.

Meanwhile, at the Superdome.... well, it's like that Talking Heads song: Same as it ever was....

AsylumGuido · 11-14-2023, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

I think his point is that the Bills had the balls to pull the trigger on their OC. That indicates that the front office has a vested interest in being competitive in the home stretch.

Meanwhile, at the Superdome.... well, it's like that Talking Heads song: Same as it ever was....

Who is available right now that is a definite upgrade? It would pretty much have to be someone from within at this time. They'd have to work within the existing infrastructure. It's impossible to change much of substance such as the playbook and terminology at this point. Basically the same sort of replacement as was Brady with the Bills. I see Curry as the only option.

leilung · 11-14-2023, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Who is available right now that is a definite upgrade? It would pretty much have to be someone from within at this time. They'd have to work within the existing infrastructure. It's impossible to change much of substance such as the playbook and terminology at this point. Basically the same sort of replacement as was Brady with the Bills. I see Curry as the only option.

Curry seems to be a logical jumping off point. I'm of the school that you can't keep doing things the same way, with the same play callers, and expect different results. At this point, we're 5-5 (in a bad division but a chance to win it) with a Bye Week. There won't be a better opportunity to shift gears this season.

11-13-2023, 08:02 PM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Let me clarify. I want to fire Pete Carmichael before we play Atlanta and see if we can improve under Dennis Allen before the playoffs. Regardless, this team is going nowhere if we make the playoffs under Allens passive demeanor and lackadaisical approach to coaching. He needs to do a better job than repeating keep doing what you're doing. This approach isn't going to fix this teams coaching multiple problems. Grow a a pair! Dennis Allen needed to be gone last year. K Major likes this.
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11-20-2023, 06:24 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Let me clarify. I want to fire Pete Carmichael before we play Atlanta and see if we can improve under Dennis Allen before the playoffs. Regardless, this team is going nowhere if we make the playoffs under Allens passive demeanor and lackadaisical approach to coaching. He needs to do a better job than repeating keep doing what you're doing. This approach isn't going to fix this teams coaching multiple problems. Grow a a pair! The optics on that: 1. Pete Carmichael is a scapegoat. 2. It says Dennis Allen believes he has the right play book but Pete cant call plays. If Dennis were talented enough to know the wrong plays are being called, why isn't he calling the right plays now? 3. Pete Carmichael was the OC for the 2009 Super Bowl Champions, did he turn like sour milk? (Sean was calling most of the plays) Here is the Billion Dollar question... Was it Sean calling our plays for years, or Pete? Based on the biggest drop off in performance coming after 2020 I can make a very strong argument that it was Drew calling the plays on the field. jnormand, Rsanders24, leilung and 1 others like this.
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11-13-2023, 10:49 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Apparently the Saints are 1-11 under Dennis Allen against teams with better than .500 record. That is 1 win in 12 games. If we make the playoffs as winner of the weakest division, all 4 games we would need to win for a championship would most likely be against teams with a better than .500 record. This makes it easy to calculate our chances of a ring if we make the playoffs: 1/12 * 1/12 * 1/12 * 1/12 = 1/(12^4) = 1 in 20,736. Having more fun with statistics, this is Dennis Allen's 5th season as head coach. If he lucks into the playoffs due to our weak schedule, perhaps he can continue to luck into the playoffs every 5 years. So to figure out how many years it will take Dennis Allen to bring us a ring we can simply take a 1 in 5 seasons chance of making the playoffs and multiply it by the 1 in 20,736 chance of winning a ring with a 1 in 12 win rate against winning teams. So, if we just keep Dennis Allen as head coach for 103,680 years our patience will be rewarded! Oh and the 1 win we got against an over .500 team? It was against Philly with Minshew, a predictable let down game of a team knowing they will get a pass without their starter. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.
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11-14-2023, 08:59 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Saints are currently ranked #7 in penalties. That's a huge problem. Notice the number of false starts in that graph. We are double more than anyone else on DPI. I thought defense was DA's strong suit? No accountability from Dennis Allen. Sinner likes this.

11-14-2023, 10:38 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Bills fire OC Ken Dorsey These are the type of moves ^^^^ that the Saints should be making today, during a bye week. One franchise (Bills) gets embarassed by a non contender on MNF, has aspirations of getting back to the SB & makes an immediate change, and other (Saints) just "hopes" to squeak into the post season & has a HC publicly say "no changes will be made" on the coaching staff after losing to a back up QB on the road . Mindset needs to change on Airline Dr. leilung, Sinner and Mr.Riaton like this.

11-14-2023, 12:51 PM	#6
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by K Major Bills fire OC Ken Dorsey These are the type of moves ^^^^ that the Saints should be making today, during a bye week. One franchise (Bills) gets embarassed by a non contender on MNF, has aspirations of getting back to the SB & makes an immediate change, and other (Saints) just "hopes" to squeak into the post season & has a HC publicly say "no changes will be made" on the coaching staff after losing to a back up QB on the road . Mindset needs to change on Airline Dr. Absolutely agree with all this! I would love to see Carmichael replaced, and rightly so, but man Allen’s complacency for mediocrity is alarming. The fact that he or Loomis does nothing week after week aggravates the fkn crap out of me neugey, leilung, Sinner and 1 others like this.

11-14-2023, 10:44 AM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… I know we complain about our OC and rightfully so, but Ken Dorsey was significantly worse than Carmichael. Mercy was he bad. I'm surprised he made it through more than half the season.

11-14-2023, 12:13 PM	#8
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,421	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by papz I know we complain about our OC and rightfully so, but Ken Dorsey was significantly worse than Carmichael. Mercy was he bad. I'm surprised he made it through more than half the season. I think his point is that the Bills had the balls to pull the trigger on their OC. That indicates that the front office has a vested interest in being competitive in the home stretch. Meanwhile, at the Superdome.... well, it's like that Talking Heads song: Same as it ever was.... Sinner and K Major like this.

11-14-2023, 12:26 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by leilung I think his point is that the Bills had the balls to pull the trigger on their OC. That indicates that the front office has a vested interest in being competitive in the home stretch. Meanwhile, at the Superdome.... well, it's like that Talking Heads song: Same as it ever was.... Who is available right now that is a definite upgrade? It would pretty much have to be someone from within at this time. They'd have to work within the existing infrastructure. It's impossible to change much of substance such as the playbook and terminology at this point. Basically the same sort of replacement as was Brady with the Bills. I see Curry as the only option.

11-14-2023, 04:36 PM	#10
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,421	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Who is available right now that is a definite upgrade? It would pretty much have to be someone from within at this time. They'd have to work within the existing infrastructure. It's impossible to change much of substance such as the playbook and terminology at this point. Basically the same sort of replacement as was Brady with the Bills. I see Curry as the only option. Curry seems to be a logical jumping off point. I'm of the school that you can't keep doing things the same way, with the same play callers, and expect different results. At this point, we're 5-5 (in a bad division but a chance to win it) with a Bye Week. There won't be a better opportunity to shift gears this season. iceshack149, neugey, Sinner and 1 others like this.