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Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by K Major So what your're saying is that there is little hope, this 2023 team sucks and Dennis Allen and his assistants are all but gone after the season ? Everything except that last part....

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Old 12-12-2023, 12:12 PM   #21
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Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left

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So what your're saying is that there is little hope, this 2023 team sucks and Dennis Allen and his assistants are all but gone after the season ?
Everything except that last part.
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Old 12-12-2023, 12:31 PM   #22
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Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left

I think you have to consider the strength of schedule of these teams. 3 have the same record as us and 1 has one more loss. But 3 have much harder schedules than we do. And 2 have have beat us head to head already.

Our remaining Schedule, Chance to win:

Giants - 50% The Giants have only one less win than us but with a 3 game winning streak and a much harder schedule than us with losses to Dallas 2x, SF, and Mia. They are hot. Playing better teams makes them better. Their point differential is horrible, but that reflects the schedule. Their new QB is mobile, which spells trouble for us. Still, the point differential is bad and they are due for a let down. I call it a toss up.

Rams - 40% The Rams are healthier than they were earlier in the year. They have the same record as us with a much tougher schedule with losses to Bal, Dal, SF, and Phi. In my opinion that is the same record with 4 losses to teams better than anyone we have played. Jax is 8-5 and the Rams have 4 losses to 10-3 teams. Also the Rams 2 best offensive players were hurt earlier in the year and are back now.

Bucs - 35% We lost resoundingly to the Bucs. They have the same record as us but their 1st place schedule earned them dates with SF, PHI, and BUF where we face/d LA, NY, and NE. We also lost to them twice last year. They seem to have DA's number.

ATL - 50% While we lost to Atlanta this year we beat them last year twice and the way we lost with 5 field goals was somewhat flukey. We have the same record with similar strength of schedule. This game is at home but that has not often made a big difference for us. I would call it a toss up.

So total I expect we win 1.75 games the rest of the way. So 2 is the most like, 1 is next most, 3 is third most, 0 is fourth most, 4 is 5th most likely, given the difference between 1.75 and those numbers.
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Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left

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I think you have to consider the strength of schedule of these teams. 3 have the same record as us and 1 has one more loss. But 3 have much harder schedules than we do. And 2 have have beat us head to head already.

Our remaining Schedule, Chance to win:

Giants - 50% The Giants have only one less win than us but with a 3 game winning streak and a much harder schedule than us with losses to Dallas 2x, SF, and Mia. They are hot. Playing better teams makes them better. Their point differential is horrible, but that reflects the schedule. Their new QB is mobile, which spells trouble for us. Still, the point differential is bad and they are due for a let down. I call it a toss up.

Rams - 40% The Rams are healthier than they were earlier in the year. They have the same record as us with a much tougher schedule with losses to Bal, Dal, SF, and Phi.

Bucs - 35% We lost resoundingly to the Bucs. They have the same record as us but their 1st place schedule earned them dates with SF, PHI, and BUF where we faced LA, NY, and NE. We also lost to them twice last year. They seem to have DA's number.

ATL - 50% While we lost to Atlanta this year we beat them last year twice and the way we lost with 5 field goals was somewhat flukey. We have the same record with similar strength of schedule. This game is at home but that has not often made a big difference for us. I would call it a toss up.

So total I expect we win 1.75 games the rest of the way. So 2 is the most like, 1 is next most, 3 is third most, 0 is fourth most, 4 is 5th most likely, given the difference between 1.75 and those numbers.

Well Doggies! That is some fancy, high level cyphering there Jethro. I don't think I know what the hell any of it means, but it shore enough sounds impressive.
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Giants are a must win, If we can't beat them we aren't going 3-0 the rest of the way.

Its a contender or pretender game.
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Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left

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Giants are a must win, If we can't beat them we aren't going 3-0 the rest of the way.

Its a contender or pretender game.
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Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left

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So what your're saying is that there is little hope, this 2023 team sucks and Dennis Allen and his assistants are all but gone after the season ?
I'll say the coaching sucks more than the team. I ranked this squad in the top third with respect to talent. They had every opportunity to at least stand out and be taken seriously by the rest of the league early in the season. Sadly, that ain't happening. (We knew the dirty South was bad going into the season, but DAYUM!!!)

As far as DA and his entourage being shown the door, that ain't happening either. Seeing Ma Benson give Slick Mick the game ball for win #200 showed me all I needed to see where this is heading. We have at LEAST one more year of this crap and there doesn't seem to be any motivation to change up the line up.
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I'll say the coaching sucks more than the team. I ranked this squad in the top third with respect to talent. They had every opportunity to at least stand out and be taken seriously by the rest of the league early in the season. Sadly, that ain't happening. (We knew the dirty South was bad going into the season, but DAYUM!!!)

As far as DA and his entourage being shown the door, that ain't happening either. Seeing Ma Benson give Slick Mick the game ball for win #200 showed me all I needed to see where this is heading. We have at LEAST one more year of this crap and there doesn't seem to be any motivation to change up the line up.
Don't look now, but with the Packers loss moving them to 6-7 the 2nd and 3rd place NFC South teams are in a tie for the final wild card spot as it stands. Only two non-division leaders have a record better than 6-7 in the NFC, the Eagles at 10-3 and the Vikings one game up on the others at 7-6. There is a very real chance for THREE NFC teams to make the playoffs with losing records.
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Old 12-12-2023, 01:30 PM   #28
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Don't look now, but with the Packers loss moving them to 6-7 the 2nd and 3rd place NFC South teams are in a tie for the final wild card spot as it stands. Only two non-division leaders have a record better than 6-7 in the NFC, the Eagles at 10-3 and the Vikings one game up on the others at 7-6. There is a very real chance for THREE NFC teams to make the playoffs with losing records.
Translation: There is a very real chance for us to extend poo on the menu for quite some time, and be happy about it. Watch!
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Well Doggies! That is some fancy, high level cyphering there Jethro. I don't think I know what the hell any of it means, but it shore enough sounds impressive.
0.5+0.4+0.35+0.5=1.75. What is so complicated about that Bubba? Other than one elementary school math problem, I wrote at the same level of vocab as like Yahoo Sports. Were you expecting Scholastic News? All the remaining teams we play are within 1 win/loss of the same record as us, so counting which games we will definitely win and definitely lose is a bad way to predict 4 toss ups. I don't think we should be favorites in any of the games, because of strength of schedule and head to head results.
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Re: Observation from the Saints' Playoff Chances with Four Games Left

DA will stick around if we win the division.

Hell. He could lose the rest of the games and still be back. Although, Carmichael is probably headed to Denver next year.
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