OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS

Rugby Saint II · 12-22-2023, 04:20 PM

PC is clueless! DA is the walking dead! Oh no! We suck! somebody please send the game film to Loomis to look at. He obviously doesn't watch the games.

K Major · 12-22-2023, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

In my opinion, this game showed the difference between a 7-7 team in arguably the toughest division, versus a 7-7 team in a pancake division with the easiest schedule in the league.

+1. That Rams schedule has been brutal.

Chargers, Niners (twice), Seahawks, Eagles, Ravens, Cowboys were tough opponents.

Sadly, the Saints couldn't take advantage of their cupcake schedule.

Rugby Saint II · 12-22-2023, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

+1. That Rams schedule has been brutal.

Chargers, Niners (twice), Seahawks, Eagles, Ravens, Cowboys were tough opponents.

Sadly, the Saints couldn't take advantage of their cupcake schedule.

It's all on the coaches shoulders. We need to fire Dennis Allen and Petey Carmichael this offseason.but, alas......keep chopping wood. It's going to be a cold winter.

K Major · 12-22-2023, 06:36 PM

Rez -

I noticed that Dennis benched Alontae Taylor last night. Sean McVay/Highland Park was picking on him quite a bit but was he performing that poorly?

My concern is that once you lose confidence as a young DB, it's over.

Your thoughts?

neugey · 12-22-2023, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Rez -

I noticed that Dennis benched Alontae Taylor last night. Sean McVay/Highland Park was picking on him quite a bit but was he performing that poorly?

My concern is that once you lose confidence as a young DB, it's over.

Your thoughts?

Benches Taylor for getting beat in coverage.

Doesn't bench Carr in prior game when he only had 37 yards passing in 3 quarters.

Allen logic/hypocrisy at its finest and that's the bigger problem, not actually the benching itself.

neugey · 12-22-2023, 07:20 PM

For what it's worth, there are some things people are upset about from last night's game that I'm less hostile about -

1) The stat-padding when the game was out of reach - I called out Brees and Payton on this on multiple occasions in the past and was one of the few to do it. Who knows, we might have gotten one more season out of Brees without all the garbage time yards on his arm and also gotten more training for his backups. Didn't like it when Carr did it either ... but I think others should keep that same energy when better teams/QB's do it too.

2) The onside kick attempt - Given that we had recently had a big special teams play in the game and had some momentum in that regard, I didn't mind that much giving it a shot.

rezburna · 12-22-2023, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Rez -

I noticed that Dennis benched Alontae Taylor last night. Sean McVay/Highland Park was picking on him quite a bit but was he performing that poorly?

My concern is that once you lose confidence as a young DB, it's over.

Your thoughts?

I had concerns about Taylor in the slot from the moment I started hearing he was working there. Slot corner is a completely different world. I wouldn’t say he’s done though. A benching can make you or break you depending on your personality. We won’t know that until next year though. There’s nothing he can do at this very moment to get where he needs to be as a player.

leilung · 12-23-2023, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

PC is clueless! DA is the walking dead! Oh no! We suck! somebody please send the game film to Loomis to look at. He obviously doesn't watch the games.

But hey, Mrs. B gave him a game ball... so he's got that going for him... which is nice.

TheOak · 12-23-2023, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

But hey, Mrs. B gave him a game ball... so he's got that going for him... which is nice.

Stocking stuffer since there is room without the ring.

dizzle88 · 12-23-2023, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I had concerns about Taylor in the slot from the moment I started hearing he was working there. Slot corner is a completely different world. I wouldn’t say he’s done though. A benching can make you or break you depending on your personality. We won’t know that until next year though. There’s nothing he can do at this very moment to get where he needs to be as a player.

I do like what I see out of Jordan Howden.

He always seems to battle and contest passes, and he's played in the slot at times.

Maybe that's the way forward. Alontae has struggled for a while, it was just very noticeable Vs the Rams.

He is quite frankly awful at tackling. PJ Williams wasn't great, but he was a good tackling corner.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS PC is clueless! DA is the walking dead! Oh no! We suck! somebody please send the game film to Loomis to look at. He obviously doesn't watch the games.

12-22-2023, 04:23 PM	#42
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS Originally Posted by dizzle88 In my opinion, this game showed the difference between a 7-7 team in arguably the toughest division, versus a 7-7 team in a pancake division with the easiest schedule in the league. +1. That Rams schedule has been brutal. Chargers, Niners (twice), Seahawks, Eagles, Ravens, Cowboys were tough opponents. Sadly, the Saints couldn't take advantage of their cupcake schedule. jnormand, leilung, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS Originally Posted by K Major +1. That Rams schedule has been brutal. Chargers, Niners (twice), Seahawks, Eagles, Ravens, Cowboys were tough opponents. Sadly, the Saints couldn't take advantage of their cupcake schedule. It's all on the coaches shoulders. We need to fire Dennis Allen and Petey Carmichael this offseason.but, alas......keep chopping wood. It's going to be a cold winter. jnormand and Sinner like this.

12-22-2023, 06:36 PM	#44
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS Rez - I noticed that Dennis benched Alontae Taylor last night. Sean McVay/Highland Park was picking on him quite a bit but was he performing that poorly? My concern is that once you lose confidence as a young DB, it's over. Your thoughts?

12-22-2023, 06:59 PM	#45
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS Originally Posted by K Major Rez - I noticed that Dennis benched Alontae Taylor last night. Sean McVay/Highland Park was picking on him quite a bit but was he performing that poorly? My concern is that once you lose confidence as a young DB, it's over. Your thoughts? Benches Taylor for getting beat in coverage. Doesn't bench Carr in prior game when he only had 37 yards passing in 3 quarters. Allen logic/hypocrisy at its finest and that's the bigger problem, not actually the benching itself. jnormand, dizzle88, K Major and 1 others like this.

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12-22-2023, 07:20 PM	#46
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS For what it's worth, there are some things people are upset about from last night's game that I'm less hostile about - 1) The stat-padding when the game was out of reach - I called out Brees and Payton on this on multiple occasions in the past and was one of the few to do it. Who knows, we might have gotten one more season out of Brees without all the garbage time yards on his arm and also gotten more training for his backups. Didn't like it when Carr did it either ... but I think others should keep that same energy when better teams/QB's do it too. 2) The onside kick attempt - Given that we had recently had a big special teams play in the game and had some momentum in that regard, I didn't mind that much giving it a shot.

12-22-2023, 08:46 PM	#47
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS Originally Posted by K Major Rez - I noticed that Dennis benched Alontae Taylor last night. Sean McVay/Highland Park was picking on him quite a bit but was he performing that poorly? My concern is that once you lose confidence as a young DB, it's over. Your thoughts? I had concerns about Taylor in the slot from the moment I started hearing he was working there. Slot corner is a completely different world. I wouldn’t say he’s done though. A benching can make you or break you depending on your personality. We won’t know that until next year though. There’s nothing he can do at this very moment to get where he needs to be as a player. K Major likes this.

12-23-2023, 09:09 AM	#48
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,373	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II PC is clueless! DA is the walking dead! Oh no! We suck! somebody please send the game film to Loomis to look at. He obviously doesn't watch the games. But hey, Mrs. B gave him a game ball... so he's got that going for him... which is nice. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS Originally Posted by leilung But hey, Mrs. B gave him a game ball... so he's got that going for him... which is nice. Stocking stuffer since there is room without the ring. saintsfan1976 and Sinner like this.

12-23-2023, 10:14 AM	#50
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM SAINTS (PRIMETIME WITH PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS) LOSS TO THE RAMS Originally Posted by rezburna I had concerns about Taylor in the slot from the moment I started hearing he was working there. Slot corner is a completely different world. I wouldn’t say he’s done though. A benching can make you or break you depending on your personality. We won’t know that until next year though. There’s nothing he can do at this very moment to get where he needs to be as a player. I do like what I see out of Jordan Howden. He always seems to battle and contest passes, and he's played in the slot at times. Maybe that's the way forward. Alontae has struggled for a while, it was just very noticeable Vs the Rams. He is quite frankly awful at tackling. PJ Williams wasn't great, but he was a good tackling corner.