Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year

neugey · 12-25-2023, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Raiders got the W today over the Chiefs.

Helps the Saints 2024 draft position.

The Raiders are also winning the long game, as it seems likely that they've found their future coach in the fervent Pierce.

We however are not so lucky, and I just pray that the resume of Josh McDaniels never finds it way into our office given our fetish for onetime Raiders.

Sinner · 12-25-2023, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Love Taysom. But I certainly can appreciate your opinion. But he always seems to do well against most opponents given the chance to do so. His last game he had 2 runs. Idk if that’s really giving him the opportunity to do anything. Again, I don’t have the stats in front of me as far as how he does against “good teams vs bad teams.”

I would think that most good players look better against trash teams. Lol. Like our current team.

Imo, Hill earns his money much more than many other players on our team and others. Especially our current starting QB, WR and coach and OC.

Just thoughts.

If we lose Taysom, we lose what little excitement we have left.

SmashMouth · 12-25-2023, 10:48 PM

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BakoSaint · 12-26-2023, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

If we lose Taysom, we lose what little excitement we have left.

I think we should draft oline not Jayden Daniels, but lets say we did draft Daniels and he worked his way up to starter. Are you going to take Daniels off the field repeatedly to get Hill his snaps? Its hard to quantify how much Hill takes other QBs out of their rhythm with the wildcat snaps, but I am sure it has some effect. But more importantly spending $10 million on a wildcat QB not oline has an effect on the other QBs and the other RBs. But it doesn't matter, with the salary cap at only $240 million projected for 2024 we need to restructure and keep 75% of these guys, and Hill will probably be one to stay.

SmashMouth · 12-26-2023, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I think we should draft oline not Jayden Daniels, but lets say we did draft Daniels and he worked his way up to starter. Are you going to take Daniels off the field repeatedly to get Hill his snaps? Its hard to quantify how much Hill takes other QBs out of their rhythm with the wildcat snaps, but I am sure it has some effect. But more importantly spending $10 million on a wildcat QB not oline has an effect on the other QBs and the other RBs. But it doesn't matter, with the salary cap at only $240 million projected for 2024 we need to restructure and keep 75% of these guys, and Hill will probably be one to stay.

Time to move Taysom and get value if we can. Same with Kamara. 2024 may be the year we can trade these players and get some cap relief and draftable assets. Agreed on the OL. Will we get a shot at JD5?

Mr.Riaton · 12-26-2023, 11:16 AM

I think we need to forget about drafting a qb this year and focus on oline and dline. We also need to work on clearing cap space as much as possible to get in a better position to keep quality players and afford quality key FA pieces. Draft well and develop young talent.
I might be in the minority here but I really want to give Haener an honest shot while we have him. He may be a legit option for the future.

I don’t mind sucking for a few years if we’re building for the future and progressing each year…it can actually be exciting to see the new team unfold and get excited about the potential. But I’m really annoyed, as many of you are, with the sh*t show that we’re having to endure. We’ve actually regressed.Everyone sees it except for our GM it seems

Sinner · 12-26-2023, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I think we need to forget about drafting a qb this year and focus on oline and dline. We also need to work on clearing cap space as much as possible to get in a better position to keep quality players and afford quality key FA pieces. Draft well and develop young talent.
I might be in the minority here but I really want to give Haener an honest shot while we have him. He may be a legit option for the future.

I don’t mind sucking for a few years if we’re building for the future and progressing each year…it can actually be exciting to see the new team unfold and get excited about the potential. But I’m really annoyed, as many of you are, with the sh*t show that we’re having to endure. We’ve actually regressed.Everyone sees it except for our GM it seems

We have already been sucking for a few years, we suck more now, and we’re not rebuilding. I’d be happy to see Taysom run a few plays just so I could see the game of FOOTBALL being played by someone in a Saints uniform every once in awhile. Miss those days…

neugey · 12-26-2023, 11:40 AM

The pre-draft "QB helium" and the Heisman award will cause Daniels to rise too high for us to get. Thus there will be other bargain QB's falling into the mid-late 1st and 2nd round. Hopefully McCarthy or Ewers if he decides to leave.

BakoSaint · 12-26-2023, 12:16 PM

Unfortunately the degree that we can even rebuild and clear cap space is very minimal. We need to restructure 75% of our veterans to get under the salary cap which we are now projected to be $87-89 million under after projections of its increase have been reduced. Unfortunately a cut or trade does not clear up as much cap as a restructure on a 1 year basis, though it clears up much more long term. And Post June 1 designations do not do anything to get us under the cap in spring as they don't affect the cap until June 1. So we really can hardly even rebuild. We just have to basically not add anybody and wait for some contracts to expire. It might even make sense to trade our 1st round pick for future 1st rounders or to trade Olave for future draft picks to free up some cash to actually be able to afford to cut or trade players who have dead cap hits associated with moving on. Mickey Loomis cap Voldemort cap Sauron has got us into a very bad situation.

Also, the salary cap will not go up a lot forever. The pandemic is not the only thing that can cause an unexpected dip. It is going to go up when the repay of lower profits from the pandemic expires and new streaming deals come in. However, content providers have overbid for NFL content during the streaming wars as a way to attract subscribers to their services. As the streaming wars end and some providers merge or fold, streaming has not been very lucrative for content providers, and ultimately when streaming becomes like the networks or cable or perhaps even more consolidated and powerful, the NFL may suddenly lose its bargaining power. The streaming wars will never be in more of a loss leader mode than they are today, with streamers willing to overpay the NFL massively while giving subscribers 1 year free trials, so maxxing the cap year to year expecting infinite exponential growth is going to pinch even harder than it already is. Also don't be surprised if there is some social backlash to expanded gambling. The cash cow may expire when people find their kids or parents gambled away their mortgage and are moving back in.

Rugby Saint II · 12-27-2023, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I think we need to forget about drafting a qb this year and focus on oline and dline. We also need to work on clearing cap space as much as possible to get in a better position to keep quality players and afford quality key FA pieces. Draft well and develop young talent.
I might be in the minority here but I really want to give Haener an honest shot while we have him. He may be a legit option for the future.

I don’t mind sucking for a few years if we’re building for the future and progressing each year…it can actually be exciting to see the new team unfold and get excited about the potential. But I’m really annoyed, as many of you are, with the sh*t show that we’re having to endure. We’ve actually regressed.Everyone sees it except for our GM it seems

You make a good point about the enthusiasm fans have for a young team that's rebuilding rather than the tired energy we get from the team and fans now.

12-25-2023, 10:05 PM	#21
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,824 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year Originally Posted by K Major Raiders got the W today over the Chiefs. Helps the Saints 2024 draft position. The Raiders are also winning the long game, as it seems likely that they've found their future coach in the fervent Pierce. We however are not so lucky, and I just pray that the resume of Josh McDaniels never finds it way into our office given our fetish for onetime Raiders.

12-25-2023, 10:16 PM	#22
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,052	Re: Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year Originally Posted by jnormand Love Taysom. But I certainly can appreciate your opinion. But he always seems to do well against most opponents given the chance to do so. His last game he had 2 runs. Idk if that’s really giving him the opportunity to do anything. Again, I don’t have the stats in front of me as far as how he does against “good teams vs bad teams.” I would think that most good players look better against trash teams. Lol. Like our current team. Imo, Hill earns his money much more than many other players on our team and others. Especially our current starting QB, WR and coach and OC. Just thoughts. If we lose Taysom, we lose what little excitement we have left. jnormand, SmashMouth, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.
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12-26-2023, 09:18 AM	#24
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,318	Re: Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year Originally Posted by Sinner If we lose Taysom, we lose what little excitement we have left. I think we should draft oline not Jayden Daniels, but lets say we did draft Daniels and he worked his way up to starter. Are you going to take Daniels off the field repeatedly to get Hill his snaps? Its hard to quantify how much Hill takes other QBs out of their rhythm with the wildcat snaps, but I am sure it has some effect. But more importantly spending $10 million on a wildcat QB not oline has an effect on the other QBs and the other RBs. But it doesn't matter, with the salary cap at only $240 million projected for 2024 we need to restructure and keep 75% of these guys, and Hill will probably be one to stay.
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12-26-2023, 09:35 AM	#25
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,484 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year Originally Posted by BakoSaint I think we should draft oline not Jayden Daniels, but lets say we did draft Daniels and he worked his way up to starter. Are you going to take Daniels off the field repeatedly to get Hill his snaps? Its hard to quantify how much Hill takes other QBs out of their rhythm with the wildcat snaps, but I am sure it has some effect. But more importantly spending $10 million on a wildcat QB not oline has an effect on the other QBs and the other RBs. But it doesn't matter, with the salary cap at only $240 million projected for 2024 we need to restructure and keep 75% of these guys, and Hill will probably be one to stay. Time to move Taysom and get value if we can. Same with Kamara. 2024 may be the year we can trade these players and get some cap relief and draftable assets. Agreed on the OL. Will we get a shot at JD5? Rugby Saint II likes this.

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12-26-2023, 11:16 AM	#26
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,293	Re: Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year I think we need to forget about drafting a qb this year and focus on oline and dline. We also need to work on clearing cap space as much as possible to get in a better position to keep quality players and afford quality key FA pieces. Draft well and develop young talent. I might be in the minority here but I really want to give Haener an honest shot while we have him. He may be a legit option for the future. I don’t mind sucking for a few years if we’re building for the future and progressing each year…it can actually be exciting to see the new team unfold and get excited about the potential. But I’m really annoyed, as many of you are, with the sh*t show that we’re having to endure. We’ve actually regressed.Everyone sees it except for our GM it seems Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-26-2023, 11:39 AM	#27
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,052	Re: Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I think we need to forget about drafting a qb this year and focus on oline and dline. We also need to work on clearing cap space as much as possible to get in a better position to keep quality players and afford quality key FA pieces. Draft well and develop young talent. I might be in the minority here but I really want to give Haener an honest shot while we have him. He may be a legit option for the future. I don’t mind sucking for a few years if we’re building for the future and progressing each year…it can actually be exciting to see the new team unfold and get excited about the potential. But I’m really annoyed, as many of you are, with the sh*t show that we’re having to endure. We’ve actually regressed.Everyone sees it except for our GM it seems We have already been sucking for a few years, we suck more now, and we’re not rebuilding. I’d be happy to see Taysom run a few plays just so I could see the game of FOOTBALL being played by someone in a Saints uniform every once in awhile. Miss those days… mapcow likes this.
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12-26-2023, 11:40 AM	#28
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,824 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year The pre-draft "QB helium" and the Heisman award will cause Daniels to rise too high for us to get. Thus there will be other bargain QB's falling into the mid-late 1st and 2nd round. Hopefully McCarthy or Ewers if he decides to leave. MatthewT likes this.

12-26-2023, 12:16 PM	#29
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,318	Re: Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year Unfortunately the degree that we can even rebuild and clear cap space is very minimal. We need to restructure 75% of our veterans to get under the salary cap which we are now projected to be $87-89 million under after projections of its increase have been reduced. Unfortunately a cut or trade does not clear up as much cap as a restructure on a 1 year basis, though it clears up much more long term. And Post June 1 designations do not do anything to get us under the cap in spring as they don't affect the cap until June 1. So we really can hardly even rebuild. We just have to basically not add anybody and wait for some contracts to expire. It might even make sense to trade our 1st round pick for future 1st rounders or to trade Olave for future draft picks to free up some cash to actually be able to afford to cut or trade players who have dead cap hits associated with moving on. Mickey Loomis cap Voldemort cap Sauron has got us into a very bad situation. Also, the salary cap will not go up a lot forever. The pandemic is not the only thing that can cause an unexpected dip. It is going to go up when the repay of lower profits from the pandemic expires and new streaming deals come in. However, content providers have overbid for NFL content during the streaming wars as a way to attract subscribers to their services. As the streaming wars end and some providers merge or fold, streaming has not been very lucrative for content providers, and ultimately when streaming becomes like the networks or cable or perhaps even more consolidated and powerful, the NFL may suddenly lose its bargaining power. The streaming wars will never be in more of a loss leader mode than they are today, with streamers willing to overpay the NFL massively while giving subscribers 1 year free trials, so maxxing the cap year to year expecting infinite exponential growth is going to pinch even harder than it already is. Also don't be surprised if there is some social backlash to expanded gambling. The cash cow may expire when people find their kids or parents gambled away their mortgage and are moving back in. MatthewT and SmashMouth like this.
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12-27-2023, 12:01 PM	#30
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,120	Re: Saints have had the second easiest schedule this year Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I think we need to forget about drafting a qb this year and focus on oline and dline. We also need to work on clearing cap space as much as possible to get in a better position to keep quality players and afford quality key FA pieces. Draft well and develop young talent. I might be in the minority here but I really want to give Haener an honest shot while we have him. He may be a legit option for the future. I don’t mind sucking for a few years if we’re building for the future and progressing each year…it can actually be exciting to see the new team unfold and get excited about the potential. But I’m really annoyed, as many of you are, with the sh*t show that we’re having to endure. We’ve actually regressed.Everyone sees it except for our GM it seems You make a good point about the enthusiasm fans have for a young team that's rebuilding rather than the tired energy we get from the team and fans now.