Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints

K Major · 12-27-2023, 11:24 AM

Our offense vs their defense: Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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K Major · 12-27-2023, 11:25 AM

FWIW, the Bucs have a very good run defense.

And the Saints are not very good on the ground.

Rugby Saint II · 12-27-2023, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

FWIW, the Bucs have a very good run defense.

And the Saints are not very good on the ground.

Yeah, we're not that good in the air either......

Sinner · 12-27-2023, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Yeah, we're not that good in the air either......

We’re not good.

K Major · 12-27-2023, 12:27 PM

What I noticed in that Jags/Bucs game is how well Baker steps up in the pocket. Something Carrmaxx has struggled with ... all season long.

With no Lattimore, Mike Evans could do some damage. He's having an All Pro type season.

iceshack149 · 12-27-2023, 01:11 PM

I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

bobdog86 · 12-27-2023, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows.

AsylumGuido · 12-27-2023, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows.

I had posted my reply before I saw yours, bobdog. You are 100% correct.

K Major · 12-27-2023, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

I'd say most ... some are potentially auditioning for jobs elsewhere in 2024.

However looking at Kamara's body language last game (Rams), he's mentally checked out on this coaching staff.

I'm probably off base here but I just don't see the "will", "fire" & "desire" from players to lay it on the line for Allen. Was checking out that Raiders/Chiefs & Lions|Vikings game ... those players are performing HARD for Dan Campbell and interim HC Antonio Pierce.

Don't see that at all with Allen.

AsylumGuido · 12-27-2023, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.

12-27-2023, 11:24 AM	#1
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12-27-2023, 11:25 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,077 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints FWIW, the Bucs have a very good run defense. And the Saints are not very good on the ground.

12-27-2023, 11:31 AM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,792	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by K Major FWIW, the Bucs have a very good run defense. And the Saints are not very good on the ground. Yeah, we're not that good in the air either......

12-27-2023, 11:58 AM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,770	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Yeah, we're not that good in the air either...... We’re not good.
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12-27-2023, 12:27 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,077 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints What I noticed in that Jags/Bucs game is how well Baker steps up in the pocket. Something Carrmaxx has struggled with ... all season long. With no Lattimore, Mike Evans could do some damage. He's having an All Pro type season.

12-27-2023, 01:11 PM	#6
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,107 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it? K Major likes this.

12-27-2023, 01:28 PM	#7
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,329	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it? I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows. iceshack149 and AsylumGuido like this.

12-27-2023, 03:49 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,465	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by bobdog86 I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows. I had posted my reply before I saw yours, bobdog. You are 100% correct.

12-27-2023, 01:35 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,077 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it? I'd say most ... some are potentially auditioning for jobs elsewhere in 2024. However looking at Kamara's body language last game (Rams), he's mentally checked out on this coaching staff. I'm probably off base here but I just don't see the "will", "fire" & "desire" from players to lay it on the line for Allen. Was checking out that Raiders/Chiefs & Lions\|Vikings game ... those players are performing HARD for Dan Campbell and interim HC Antonio Pierce. Don't see that at all with Allen. iceshack149 and bobdog86 like this.

12-27-2023, 03:48 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,465	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it? Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.
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