Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints

neugey · 12-27-2023, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I think Dennis Allen and Mickey Loomis have checked out and given up. Those guys are max checked out. Guys like Kamara and Olave are probably the ones mostly coaching the team.

Demario Davis is more or less our de facto coach at this point, albeit without any decision making power.

AsylumGuido · 12-27-2023, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.

AsylumGuido · 12-27-2023, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows.

I had posted my reply before I saw yours, bobdog. You are 100% correct.

K Major · 12-27-2023, 05:11 PM

For anyone else (besides myself) who watches difference makers on Sundays ...

Dave Canales - Bucs offensive coordinator.

What did Todd Bowles do last year? Hired a new OC & elevated their offense & QB. Meanwhile our substitutes made no changes ("keep doing what you're doing") & kept the same, predictable 2012 offense. Hence the sub .500 record, getting embarassed on Sundays & on the brink of post season elimination

.

Look at what he's done for Geno Smith & now Baker Mayfield in a short period of time. Not saying Dave is in line for a HC job, but if the Saints want to improve offensively, you need a young (42), innovative guy like this. If the Saints & Mickey Loomis are paying attention, I'd move on from Doug Marrone as well. Our O line stinks.

Coaching still matters. Even at this level

Sinner · 12-27-2023, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.

For us, tanking is not just a concept. Watch.

K Major · 12-27-2023, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

For us, tanking is not just a concept. Watch.

Right.

This team doesn't have to "tank", they are bad and poorly coached

.

iceshack149 · 12-27-2023, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.

I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings.

AsylumGuido · 12-27-2023, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings.

What you hear from your rumblings don't mean ****.

I can only off what I have heard and read from literally hundreds of players and coaches over the years.

iceshack149 · 12-27-2023, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What you hear from your rumblings don't mean ****.

I can only off what I have heard and read from literally hundreds of players and coaches over the years.

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings.

That's why I started with the qualifier that no one here knows what's going on behind the scenes. We can judge by effort on and off the field and behaviors (like not returning phone calls to the team).
It's just a forum, man. We all have opninons.

Sinner · 12-27-2023, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

That's why I started with the qualifier that no one here knows what's going on behind the scenes. We can judge by effort on and off the field and behaviors (like not returning phone calls to the team).
It's just a forum, man. We all have opninons.

Sometimes, when rumblings and reports and opinions make everything blurry, I sit back and watch my team continue to suck a$$… and everything becomes clear.

12-27-2023, 03:00 PM	#11
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by BakoSaint I think Dennis Allen and Mickey Loomis have checked out and given up. Those guys are max checked out. Guys like Kamara and Olave are probably the ones mostly coaching the team. Demario Davis is more or less our de facto coach at this point, albeit without any decision making power.

12-27-2023, 04:48 PM	#12
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,210	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it? Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.
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12-27-2023, 04:49 PM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,210	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by bobdog86 I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows. I had posted my reply before I saw yours, bobdog. You are 100% correct.

12-27-2023, 05:11 PM	#14
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints For anyone else (besides myself) who watches difference makers on Sundays ... Dave Canales - Bucs offensive coordinator. What did Todd Bowles do last year? Hired a new OC & elevated their offense & QB. Meanwhile our substitutes made no changes ("keep doing what you're doing") & kept the same, predictable 2012 offense. Hence the sub .500 record, getting embarassed on Sundays & on the brink of post season elimination . Look at what he's done for Geno Smith & now Baker Mayfield in a short period of time. Not saying Dave is in line for a HC job, but if the Saints want to improve offensively, you need a young (42), innovative guy like this. If the Saints & Mickey Loomis are paying attention, I'd move on from Doug Marrone as well. Our O line stinks. Coaching still matters. Even at this level
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12-27-2023, 05:20 PM	#15
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,873	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept. For us, tanking is not just a concept. Watch.
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12-27-2023, 05:31 PM	#16
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by Sinner For us, tanking is not just a concept. Watch. Right. This team doesn't have to "tank", they are bad and poorly coached . Sinner likes this.

12-27-2023, 06:26 PM	#17
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,257 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept. I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings. K Major likes this.

12-27-2023, 06:57 PM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,210	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings. What you hear from your rumblings don't mean ****. I can only off what I have heard and read from literally hundreds of players and coaches over the years.

12-27-2023, 07:07 PM	#19
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,257 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What you hear from your rumblings don't mean . I can only off what I have heard and read from literally hundreds of players and coaches over the years. Originally Posted by iceshack149 I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings. That's why I started with the qualifier that no one here knows what's going on behind the scenes. We can judge by effort on and off the field and behaviors (like not returning phone calls to the team). It's just a forum, man. We all have opninons. saintsfan1976, Sinner and K Major like this.

12-27-2023, 07:10 PM	#20
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,873	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 That's why I started with the qualifier that no one here knows what's going on behind the scenes. We can judge by effort on and off the field and behaviors (like not returning phone calls to the team). It's just a forum, man. We all have opninons. Sometimes, when rumblings and reports and opinions make everything blurry, I sit back and watch my team continue to suck a$$… and everything becomes clear.
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