Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints

iceshack149 · 12-27-2023, 01:11 PM

I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

bobdog86 · 12-27-2023, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows.

AsylumGuido · 12-27-2023, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows.

I had posted my reply before I saw yours, bobdog. You are 100% correct.

K Major · 12-27-2023, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

I'd say most ... some are potentially auditioning for jobs elsewhere in 2024.

However looking at Kamara's body language last game (Rams), he's mentally checked out on this coaching staff.

I'm probably off base here but I just don't see the "will", "fire" & "desire" from players to lay it on the line for Allen. Was checking out that Raiders/Chiefs & Lions|Vikings game ... those players are performing HARD for Dan Campbell and interim HC Antonio Pierce.

Don't see that at all with Allen.

AsylumGuido · 12-27-2023, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.

Sinner · 12-27-2023, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.

For us, tanking is not just a concept. Watch.

K Major · 12-27-2023, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

For us, tanking is not just a concept. Watch.

Right.

This team doesn't have to "tank", they are bad and poorly coached

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iceshack149 · 12-27-2023, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.

I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings.

AsylumGuido · 12-27-2023, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings.

What you hear from your rumblings don't mean ****.

I can only off what I have heard and read from literally hundreds of players and coaches over the years.

saintsfan1976 · 12-28-2023, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What you hear from your rumblings don't mean ****.

I can only off what I have heard and read from literally hundreds of players and coaches over the years.

Once again...

And the issue many have with you Guido is the incessant rainbow-chasing and patronizing condescension.

Members need leeway to b!tch and moan here. Things aren't always alright.

You'd do well to occasionally say "You know what Sinner, you're right - these guys suck and I hope they figure it out soon too...."

But you don't. Instead you tell fans why their opinions and feelings are wrong and dismiss their rebuttals.

You've placed yourself on an island of infallibility and you wonder why there's sharks...

12-27-2023, 01:11 PM	#1
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,426 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it? K Major likes this.

12-27-2023, 01:28 PM	#2
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it? I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows. iceshack149 and AsylumGuido like this.

12-27-2023, 03:49 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,677	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by bobdog86 I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows. I had posted my reply before I saw yours, bobdog. You are 100% correct.

12-27-2023, 01:35 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it? I'd say most ... some are potentially auditioning for jobs elsewhere in 2024. However looking at Kamara's body language last game (Rams), he's mentally checked out on this coaching staff. I'm probably off base here but I just don't see the "will", "fire" & "desire" from players to lay it on the line for Allen. Was checking out that Raiders/Chiefs & Lions\|Vikings game ... those players are performing HARD for Dan Campbell and interim HC Antonio Pierce. Don't see that at all with Allen. iceshack149 and bobdog86 like this.

12-27-2023, 03:48 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,677	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it? Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

12-27-2023, 04:20 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept. For us, tanking is not just a concept. Watch.
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12-27-2023, 04:31 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by Sinner For us, tanking is not just a concept. Watch. Right. This team doesn't have to "tank", they are bad and poorly coached . Sinner likes this.

12-27-2023, 05:26 PM	#8
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,426 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept. I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings. K Major likes this.

12-27-2023, 05:57 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,677	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings. What you hear from your rumblings don't mean ****. I can only off what I have heard and read from literally hundreds of players and coaches over the years.

12-28-2023, 05:32 AM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,037 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week 17 - Bucs vs Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What you hear from your rumblings don't mean **. I can only off what I have heard and read from literally hundreds of players and coaches over the years. Once again... And the issue many have with you Guido is the incessant rainbow-chasing and patronizing condescension. Members need leeway to b!tch and moan here. Things aren't always alright. You'd do well to occasionally say "You know what Sinner, you're right - these guys suck and I hope they figure it out soon too...." But you don't. Instead you tell fans why their opinions and feelings are wrong and dismiss their rebuttals. You've placed yourself on an island of infallibility** and you wonder why there's sharks... iceshack149, Sinner, frydaddy and 1 others like this.