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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by BakoSaint In my opinion Peat was sabotaged by the Saints drafting him to play him out of position but as an occasional backup for his true position behind Armstead who was often injured. Peat has always been ...

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Old 05-12-2024, 10:22 PM   #1
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In my opinion Peat was sabotaged by the Saints drafting him to play him out of position but as an occasional backup for his true position behind Armstead who was often injured. Peat has always been a decent left tackle. He can’t play right tackle because he cant adjust to the right side and is inconsistent as a guard because of his lanky build. So the plan was to play him out of position but occasionally rotate him to his true position just to keep him guessing. At left tackle last year he was decent, but if he is asked to play every position he will get hurt. At least he can play one more position than Penning though.
May I ask what your definition of sabotaged is Bako?
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Old 05-12-2024, 11:29 PM   #2
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May I ask what your definition of sabotaged is Bako?
Perhaps I should say he was ‘set up to fail.’ He was a top left tackle prospect drafted #13 overall and the Saints invested all that in him, then expected him to play out of position at a less valuable position for no good reason, because they already had a left tackle and Mickey Loomis couldnt trafe back because its against his religion. But at the same time as forcing a top prospect to play out of position, the saints expected him to occasionally jump into his true position. I get it when some later pick whose ability is doubted is asked to change position, but if a player goes #13 overall the team that takes them should let them either play their natural position or a more valuable position. You shouldnt pick a player #13 overall and then force them to switch to a less valuable position and become a utility player who mops up for whatever position someone else is injured. It destroyed his confidence and development.

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Old 05-12-2024, 07:10 PM   #5
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Saints sign OL Lukas Patrick

7 year vet - played for Bears (started in 15 last year) & Packers.

Keep an eye on him. This o line could look different in 2024.
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Old 05-12-2024, 10:42 PM   #6
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Heard we signed Lucas Patrick to the O Line.

https://sports.yahoo.com/saints-agre...020632134.html
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Old 05-13-2024, 05:34 PM   #7
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As a capitalist I believe in supply and demand. Rarely is supply and demand as straightforward as with NFL ticket prices. You can watch supply and demand live on TV all season. If there are lots of empty seats, supply exceeds demand at the present price and the price must fall to increase demand to meet supply. If all the stadiums are full and fans are tailgating outside the stadium hoping to get an extra ticket and tickets are selling above market price on stubhub, demand exceeds supply and ticket prices are likely to rise. Supply and demand sets the prices, capital and labor share the profits, all of this is very simple and exactly how its supposed to work and if you don't like, it you don't like free markets. If you want ticket prices to go down either we need like 40 teams playing 25 game seasons in 150,000 seat stadiums to increase supply, or you need people to stop wanting to attend live games, which perhaps could happen through the next generation that prefers to experience life through their phones. If there was a severe lack of interest in attending games, tickets might before free, just to fill seats that the TV audience likes to see full in the background, like a taping of a game show. If nobody wanted to attend even for free, people could be paid to attend, like a struggling politicians televised rally. But right now there is immense demand to attend live NFL games, and that results in increasing prices, because that is how a free market.

As to individual players being overpaid in terms of their teams share of the salary cap, that just reflects uncertainty and imperfect decision making in the context of a free market. Oil companies drill some wells that make enough oil to pay for 5 wells, and others that make no oil at all, because of uncertainty and imperfect decision making. Hollywood studios make some movies that have giant profits and others that lose money. Some very expensive horses with impressive pedigrees never win a race. Football is a similar business. The Saints overpaid for Peat in the draft based on his ability to play Left Tackle that increased the cost to draft him, then converted him to Right Tackle that increased the risk of his being a bust, then converted him to Left Guard where he had mixed results, then bet on a big contract that those mixed results were growing pains and they were brilliant to realized that this Left Tackle turned Right Tackle turned Left Guard was about to become a great Left Guard when he strung together a few good games, and shockingly through uncertainty and imperfect decision making that did not come to pass. Meanwhile some other players were bargains for the Saints and for other teams.
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As a capitalist I believe in supply and demand. Rarely is supply and demand as straightforward as with NFL ticket prices. You can watch supply and demand live on TV all season. If there are lots of empty seats, supply exceeds demand at the present price and the price must fall to increase demand to meet supply. If all the stadiums are full and fans are tailgating outside the stadium hoping to get an extra ticket and tickets are selling above market price on stubhub, demand exceeds supply and ticket prices are likely to rise. Supply and demand sets the prices, capital and labor share the profits, all of this is very simple and exactly how its supposed to work and if you don't like, it you don't like free markets. If you want ticket prices to go down either we need like 40 teams playing 25 game seasons in 150,000 seat stadiums to increase supply, or you need people to stop wanting to attend live games, which perhaps could happen through the next generation that prefers to experience life through their phones. If there was a severe lack of interest in attending games, tickets might before free, just to fill seats that the TV audience likes to see full in the background, like a taping of a game show. If nobody wanted to attend even for free, people could be paid to attend, like a struggling politicians televised rally. But right now there is immense demand to attend live NFL games, and that results in increasing prices, because that is how a free market.

As to individual players being overpaid in terms of their teams share of the salary cap, that just reflects uncertainty and imperfect decision making in the context of a free market. Oil companies drill some wells that make enough oil to pay for 5 wells, and others that make no oil at all, because of uncertainty and imperfect decision making. Hollywood studios make some movies that have giant profits and others that lose money. Some very expensive horses with impressive pedigrees never win a race. Football is a similar business. The Saints overpaid for Peat in the draft based on his ability to play Left Tackle that increased the cost to draft him, then converted him to Right Tackle that increased the risk of his being a bust, then converted him to Left Guard where he had mixed results, then bet on a big contract that those mixed results were growing pains and they were brilliant to realized that this Left Tackle turned Right Tackle turned Left Guard was about to become a great Left Guard when he strung together a few good games, and shockingly through uncertainty and imperfect decision making that did not come to pass. Meanwhile some other players were bargains for the Saints and for other teams.
Totally agree. In other words, obsessing over what individual players get paid is a waste of time and energy. Searching for perceived inequities will always be easily found.
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I wonder if he plays the run well? Which incidentally, I feel like our second biggest need is finding a run stuffing DT after we find more O linemen to upgrade the protection.
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