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Old 03-17-2024, 11:05 AM   #341
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Carr was also replaced because he could not cut it as a starter in Las Vegas. It's not a good thing for either of them. Carr is a bit better than Fields but competition would have helped.

I don't think Fields 5th year option will be picked up for $25 million. He has never played like he is worth $25 million a year. If a team had traded a 1st round pick for him maybe they would have forced themselves to pick it up, but no team was that dumb. The base case is a player who has played as many games as Fields is who he is, the exceptions are the exceptions. The Steelers are smart to pick him up because if they decline his 5th year option and he doesn't play enough snaps badly enough to prove he is a bust, some team may be willing to pay him $10 million (definitely not 25) and that will still net the Steelers more than they paid in a comp pick for 2025. The Steelers might end up with two 4th round comp picks for Wilson and Fields.

I think it would be good to have a backup who can challenge Carr. He performed his best last season after being booed and when there were calls to bench him. Some people perform best under pressure. I would look to bring in Stidham to light a fire under Carr.

Peterman may serve a purpose. I am not convinced that DA has given up on Taylor in the slot. With Peterman in camp, Taylor may have an opportunity to build confidence in the slot during training camp and restore fans confidence with countless interceptions in 1:1 drills off Peterman. How that will translate to real games remains to be seen.
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Old 03-17-2024, 11:33 AM   #342
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Carr was also replaced because he could not cut it as a starter in Las Vegas. It's not a good thing for either of them. Carr is a bit better than Fields but competition would have helped.

I don't think Fields 5th year option will be picked up for $25 million. He has never played like he is worth $25 million a year. If a team had traded a 1st round pick for him maybe they would have forced themselves to pick it up, but no team was that dumb. The base case is a player who has played as many games as Fields is who he is, the exceptions are the exceptions. The Steelers are smart to pick him up because if they decline his 5th year option and he doesn't play enough snaps badly enough to prove he is a bust, some team may be willing to pay him $10 million (definitely not 25) and that will still net the Steelers more than they paid in a comp pick for 2025. The Steelers might end up with two 4th round comp picks for Wilson and Fields.

I think it would be good to have a backup who can challenge Carr. He performed his best last season after being booed and when there were calls to bench him. Some people perform best under pressure. I would look to bring in Stidham to light a fire under Carr.

Peterman may serve a purpose. I am not convinced that DA has given up on Taylor in the slot. With Peterman in camp, Taylor may have an opportunity to build confidence in the slot during training camp and restore fans confidence with countless interceptions in 1:1 drills off Peterman. How that will translate to real games remains to be seen.
To be fair I do believe that the 142 games starting for the Raiders, which leads them for most starts in franchise history, qualifies Carr as cutting it for them as a starter. He also leads the Raiders in career TD's, yards passing, completion percentage for QB's with more than seven starts, and lowest interception rate of any Raider starter in franchise history.

He is arguably the best QB in team history.
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Old 03-17-2024, 12:44 PM   #343
 
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He couldn't cut it as a starter already. Why would you think he'd suddenly change? That's why he's being replaced.
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I wouldn’t have minded sending a 5th for Fields. I’m not sure what direction this franchise is headed in though. I hate the outlook that the fans have right now, and I’m just as pessimistic as most everybody else. I’m hoping for brighter days.
The QB in Houston is the only recent Ohio St QB with any kind of success in recent memory. The rest are all forgettable. And don't count Big D Joe Burreau, he's an LSU QB forevermore. Let Fields take up someone else's roster.
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Old 03-17-2024, 12:45 PM   #344
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To be fair I do believe that the 142 games starting for the Raiders, which leads them for most starts in franchise history, qualifies Carr as cutting it for them as a starter. He also leads the Raiders in career TD's, yards passing, completion percentage for QB's with more than seven starts, and lowest interception rate of any Raider starter in franchise history.

He is arguably the best QB in team history.
Put your crack pipe down and show some respect for Raider Nation, who wisely kicked Carr to the Black and Gold curb.

**** “Carr only appeared in one playoff game in nine seasons, a 26-19 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.”

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No. 5: Derek Carr (2014-2022)

Las Vegas Raiders Derek CarrBob Self/Florida Times-Union / USA TODAY NETWORK
Derek Carr stats (Raiders career): 35,222 passing yards, 217 passing touchdowns, 91.8 QB rating, 64.6% completion rate, 6 rushing touchdowns
Carr, who most recently served as the face of the franchise through its move to Las Vegas, brought needed stability to the quarterback position. He shattered franchise records and earned multiple Pro Bowl nods with the team. Carr’s best season came in 2016 when the Raiders went 12-4 but lost in the Wild Card round of the playoffs after Carr broke his leg in the season finale. Carr only appeared in one playoff game in nine seasons, a 26-19 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.

Related: Latest Las Vegas Raiders rumors, news

No. 4: Jim Plunkett (1979-86)

Las Vegas Raiders Jim Plunkett Super Bowl XVIIIManny Rubio-USA TODAY Sports
Plunkett’s story is one of resilience and redemption. After being highly touted out of Stanford and a bust for the New England Patriots who drafted him, Plunkett found success and became a legend upon joining the Raiders. He led the Raiders to victory in two Super Bowls (XV and XVIII), and his ability to perform well under pressure became his trademark. Plunkett was also named Super Bowl XV MVP and still awaits his call to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Related: NFL power rankings

No. 3: Rich Gannon (1999-2004)

Las Vegas Raiders Rich Gannon SUPER BOWL XXXVIIMPS-USA TODAY Sports
Gannon breathed life into the Raiders during their early 2000s resurgence. His remarkable resurgence from being an NFL journeyman (Minnesota and Kansas City before the Raiders) to one of the league’s top players culminated in winning the NFL MVP in 2002. That same year, Gannon guided Oakland to Super Bowl XXXVII. His passing accuracy and keen football intelligence made him one of the most effective quarterbacks of his time. Gannon’s impressive streak of four Pro Bowl selections with the Raiders also underscores how well he played as a Raider and what his contribution mean to his team.

Related: NFL QB rankings

No 2: Daryle Lamonica (1967-1974)

Las Vegas Raiders Daryle LamonicaMalcolm Emmons-USA TODAY Sports
Dubbed “The Mad Bomber” due to his long-range passes, Lamonica was pivotal in establishing the Raiders as a dominant AFL and NFL powerhouse. Under his leadership, the team made its first appearance in a Super Bowl, and he claimed two AFL MVP titles along the way. Lamonica’s extraordinary arm strength and aggressive style of play were truly ahead of their time and helped revolutionize the quarterback position and solidify him as a prominent figure in pro football history.

Related: NFL offense rankings

No 1: Ken Stabler (1970-79) – Best Raiders QB ever

Las Vegas Raiders Ken StablerLong Photography-USA TODAY Sports
Ken Stabler stats (Raiders’ career): 19,078 passing yards, 150 passing touchdowns, 69-26-1 record
Affectionately known as “Snake,” Stabler embodied everything Raider football stood for. He led the Raiders to their first Super Bowl win in 1977 and was renowned for his clutch performances and unshakeable composure. Stabler was crowned the NFL MVP in 1974 and earned Pro Bowl honors four times. His connection with the spirit of the Raiders was unparalleled, cementing his status as an iconic figure in the annals of Raiders history.
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Old 03-17-2024, 04:24 PM   #346
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Sounds like Fields called where he wanted to go. It wouldn't have mattered if we wanted to try to traded. For all we know we may have tried. I seriously doubt it, however.

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Old 03-17-2024, 05:20 PM   #349
 
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Put your crack pipe down and show some respect for Raider Nation, who wisely kicked Carr to the Black and Gold curb.

**** “Carr only appeared in one playoff game in nine seasons, a 26-19 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.”

READ:

No. 5: Derek Carr (2014-2022)

Las Vegas Raiders Derek CarrBob Self/Florida Times-Union / USA TODAY NETWORK
Derek Carr stats (Raiders career): 35,222 passing yards, 217 passing touchdowns, 91.8 QB rating, 64.6% completion rate, 6 rushing touchdowns
Carr, who most recently served as the face of the franchise through its move to Las Vegas, brought needed stability to the quarterback position. He shattered franchise records and earned multiple Pro Bowl nods with the team. Carr’s best season came in 2016 when the Raiders went 12-4 but lost in the Wild Card round of the playoffs after Carr broke his leg in the season finale. Carr only appeared in one playoff game in nine seasons, a 26-19 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.

Related: Latest Las Vegas Raiders rumors, news

No. 4: Jim Plunkett (1979-86)

Las Vegas Raiders Jim Plunkett Super Bowl XVIIIManny Rubio-USA TODAY Sports
Plunkett’s story is one of resilience and redemption. After being highly touted out of Stanford and a bust for the New England Patriots who drafted him, Plunkett found success and became a legend upon joining the Raiders. He led the Raiders to victory in two Super Bowls (XV and XVIII), and his ability to perform well under pressure became his trademark. Plunkett was also named Super Bowl XV MVP and still awaits his call to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Related: NFL power rankings

No. 3: Rich Gannon (1999-2004)

Las Vegas Raiders Rich Gannon SUPER BOWL XXXVIIMPS-USA TODAY Sports
Gannon breathed life into the Raiders during their early 2000s resurgence. His remarkable resurgence from being an NFL journeyman (Minnesota and Kansas City before the Raiders) to one of the league’s top players culminated in winning the NFL MVP in 2002. That same year, Gannon guided Oakland to Super Bowl XXXVII. His passing accuracy and keen football intelligence made him one of the most effective quarterbacks of his time. Gannon’s impressive streak of four Pro Bowl selections with the Raiders also underscores how well he played as a Raider and what his contribution mean to his team.

Related: NFL QB rankings

No 2: Daryle Lamonica (1967-1974)

Las Vegas Raiders Daryle LamonicaMalcolm Emmons-USA TODAY Sports
Dubbed “The Mad Bomber” due to his long-range passes, Lamonica was pivotal in establishing the Raiders as a dominant AFL and NFL powerhouse. Under his leadership, the team made its first appearance in a Super Bowl, and he claimed two AFL MVP titles along the way. Lamonica’s extraordinary arm strength and aggressive style of play were truly ahead of their time and helped revolutionize the quarterback position and solidify him as a prominent figure in pro football history.

Related: NFL offense rankings

No 1: Ken Stabler (1970-79) – Best Raiders QB ever

Las Vegas Raiders Ken StablerLong Photography-USA TODAY Sports
Ken Stabler stats (Raiders’ career): 19,078 passing yards, 150 passing touchdowns, 69-26-1 record
Affectionately known as “Snake,” Stabler embodied everything Raider football stood for. He led the Raiders to their first Super Bowl win in 1977 and was renowned for his clutch performances and unshakeable composure. Stabler was crowned the NFL MVP in 1974 and earned Pro Bowl honors four times. His connection with the spirit of the Raiders was unparalleled, cementing his status as an iconic figure in the annals of Raiders history.
Ken Stabler never gave us any of that magic.
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Old 03-17-2024, 05:41 PM   #350
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Ken Stabler never gave us any of that magic.
C'mon Smash ... the man was almost 40 years of age when he signed with New Orleans. Well, that's what my dad used to say. And man did he witness some bad Saints football.

Unfortunately he never got to see (passed away in 2003) Brees do his magic and hoist that Lombardi for the City of New Orleans .
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