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Sinner 03-18-2024 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 994524)
You people have to make up your mind. Are you mad because we retained DA, because he was not bringing in any FA, or because you are a miserable human being? The fact is, he has had one year. I do not think he is the best we could have gotten but give the man a chance. If he falls on his face this year, I'll join the fire DA chant with you.
2 years. He’s had more than a chance. I started the “Fire DA” chant when he said “Just keep doing what you’re doing”, 2 years ago. When Loomis said “We have all the right people in the building” during this most recent season, I started chanting “Sell the whole franchise to people who give a sh*t about winning football games”, but “Kumbaya” keeps drowning it out.

SmashMouth 03-18-2024 05:44 PM
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voodooido 03-18-2024 05:55 PM
Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 994525)
2 years. He’s had more than a chance. I started the “Fire DA” chant when he said “Just keep doing what you’re doing”, 2 years ago. When Loomis said “We have all the right people in the building” during this most recent season, I started chanting “Sell the whole franchise to people who give a sh*t about winning football games”, but “Kumbaya” keeps drowning it out.


What does that tell you if a majority of the people think you're a fool?

AsylumGuido 03-18-2024 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 994528)
What does that tell you if a majority of the people think you're a fool?
I'd say that chances are that the majority is most likely correct. Only a fool would think they weren't.

Mr.Riaton 03-18-2024 06:06 PM
Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 994524)
You people have to make up your mind. Are you mad because we retained DA, because he was not bringing in any FA, or because you are a miserable human being? The fact is, he has had one year. I do not think he is the best we could have gotten but give the man a chance. If he falls on his face this year, I'll join the fire DA chant with you.
Actually two years, and an additional three years with the Raiders.
He’s done nothing to make me feel he’s a head coach that will lead us to winning seasons and a championship in his five year tenure as a head coach.
Add in the fact that it was a team decision to go against his orders in that last game is not a good look for him. I’m not a fan of him as a head coach until he proves himself, and he’s yet to do that. I want results, not hopes and dreams

Sinner 03-18-2024 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 994528)
What does that tell you if a majority of the people think you're a fool?
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya…

Sinner 03-18-2024 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 994530)
I'd say that chances are that the majority is most likely correct. Only a fool would think they weren't.
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya…

K Major 03-18-2024 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 994532)
Actually two years, and an additional three years with the Raiders.
He’s done nothing to make me feel he’s a head coach that will lead us to winning seasons and a championship in his five year tenure as a head coach.
Add in the fact that it was a team decision to go against his orders in that last game is not a good look for him. I’m not a fan of him as a head coach until he proves himself, and he’s yet to do that. I want results, not hopes and dreams
So what you're saying is that Allen's HC seat is hot?

BakoSaint 03-18-2024 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 994524)
You people have to make up your mind. Are you mad because we retained DA, because he was not bringing in any FA, or because you are a miserable human being? The fact is, he has had one year. I do not think he is the best we could have gotten but give the man a chance. If he falls on his face this year, I'll join the fire DA chant with you.
I am very consistent. I am mad because we retained Dennis Allen and I am mad because we did not rebuild. I don't believe we could win without a rebuild under any coach and I don't think we could win under Dennis Allen even with a genius rebuild, so I will be mad if we don't do both unless I am proven wrong by results.

Renting an injury prone lazy first round bust for $13 million for the year at DE less than 12 months after signing both our existing starting DE's to fresh new contracts is not consistent with rebuilding. My argument was never that our cap situation prevents us from signing 1-2 big free agents, its that we are more than 1-2 big free agents away from winning because those 1-2 big free agents are a break even wash when weighed against the aging of our core, and the only way we can afford them is by restructuring and extending our aging core and letting promise young players like Hendrickson, Ellis, and Yiadom walk.

Dennis Allen has had 5 years as head coach and he has never beat a winning team with their true franchise QB starting. When he occasionally beats a winning team its with a journeyman Baker Mayfield on trial, Gardner Minshew filling in, etc. He is a proven mediocre commodity.

I would not be celebrating the Chase Young signing if Sean Payton was still here. I have been critical of Mickey Loomis' cap management for over 5 years. This reminds me of the Nick Fairley signing. Hopefully it is not so big of a disaster. Fairley took Loomis for all he was worth. He flashed ok production the first year, signed a long term deal, and immediately went to see his own doctor about a pre-existing condition the Saints didn't bother to check out and kept all the guaranteed money from that big deal without ever playing a down. Mickey Loomis has been dead to me since then. He probably forgot to order a thorough physical that covered pre-existing conditions before the Fairley extension because he was drunk. The years of the Fairley contract were the key window years of Drew Brees peak. I can see the same thing happening with Young. He was a borderline draft bust like Fairley, had injury and effort concerns like Fairley, had to sign a prove-it deal with us like Fairley, and either he is totally unproductive for us, or he manages to at least be ok. History tells us that if he is at least ok, Loomis will jump to sign him to a monster extension, maybe even early in-season, and then he will slack off and blame injury.

One thing that will be critical in 2024 is how the NFL orders the games for the Saints schedule. If we play teams like the Chiefs, Cowboys, Packers, Eagles, Browns, Rams, and even the Cousins Falcons (if he is back week 1) and Mayfield Bucs early, we may get off to a slow start. But if we play the Panthers, Giants, Raiders, and Broncos for our first 4 games, its possible we could start hot at 3-1 and lead Loomis to give himself, Allen, Carr, Young, etc new long term contracts. Last season our weak schedule which started with especially weak opponents led to giving Ruiz and Granderson unmerited contract extensions, and would have led to extensions for DA and Loomis if we had beat the Packers. Hopefully our schedule will start with the prove it games against teams like Dallas and KC so that if anyone wants an extension they have to earn it.

SmashMouth 03-18-2024 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 994547)
I am very consistent. I am mad because we retained Dennis Allen and I am mad because we did not rebuild. I don't believe we could win without a rebuild under any coach and I don't think we could win under Dennis Allen even with a genius rebuild, so I will be mad if we don't do both unless I am proven wrong by results.

Renting an injury prone lazy first round bust for $13 million for the year at DE less than 12 months after signing both our existing starting DE's to fresh new contracts is not consistent with rebuilding. My argument was never that our cap situation prevents us from signing 1-2 big free agents, its that we are more than 1-2 big free agents away from winning because those 1-2 big free agents are a break even wash when weighed against the aging of our core, and the only way we can afford them is by restructuring and extending our aging core and letting promise young players like Hendrickson, Ellis, and Yiadom walk.

Dennis Allen has had 5 years as head coach and he has never beat a winning team with their true franchise QB starting. When he occasionally beats a winning team its with a journeyman Baker Mayfield on trial, Gardner Minshew filling in, etc. He is a proven mediocre commodity.

I would not be celebrating the Chase Young signing if Sean Payton was still here. I have been critical of Mickey Loomis' cap management for over 5 years. This reminds me of the Nick Fairley signing. Hopefully it is not so big of a disaster. Fairley took Loomis for all he was worth. He flashed ok production the first year, signed a long term deal, and immediately went to see his own doctor about a pre-existing condition the Saints didn't bother to check out and kept all the guaranteed money from that big deal without ever playing a down. Mickey Loomis has been dead to me since then. He probably forgot to order a thorough physical that covered pre-existing conditions before the Fairley extension because he was drunk. The years of the Fairley contract were the key window years of Drew Brees peak. I can see the same thing happening with Young. He was a borderline draft bust like Fairley, had injury and effort concerns like Fairley, had to sign a prove-it deal with us like Fairley, and either he is totally unproductive for us, or he manages to at least be ok. History tells us that if he is at least ok, Loomis will jump to sign him to a monster extension, maybe even early in-season, and then he will slack off and blame injury.
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