Off-season plan

jnormand · 02-14-2024, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

This now feels like at least a 3 season project.

The “Win Now” philosophy has caught up to the Saints. They need to start to shed some dead weight, regardless of the sacrifice they have to make. It would be ugly to watch but at least you can start from scratch. You can’t keep putting the same ingredients in and expect a better outcome.

Something has to give. And if the Saints still feel like they can field a contender with basically the same roster and a horrible cap, it’s gonna make the season even more underwhelming.

saintsfan1976 · 02-14-2024, 11:28 AM

Oh come on guys. It's a cutting edge accounting practice that more and more teams emulate today... Loomis is a genius. It'll never be a problem so stop worrying.

Danno · 02-14-2024, 11:29 AM

In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line.
30% going to the pass rush.

Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan.

Just my .02

leilung · 02-14-2024, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Ranking Comment
“There are bigger problems here than the Saints' finances. Yes, as per usual, they are over the cap to a shocking degree. But more importantly, this just wasn't that good a team last year, and there aren't a ton of avenues toward improvement. The core of their roster — Derek Carr, Alvin Kamara, Cameron Jordan, Demario Davis, Tyrann Mathieu — is ancient by NFL standards. Star right tackle Ryan Ramczyk may need to retire for medical reasons. The vibes here just don't seem great.”

This right here ^^.

Saints are OLD & have a ton of work to do this off season.

I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now.

Sinner · 02-14-2024, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now.

Old and out of touch ownership and front office = old roster and irrelevant upgrades.

K Major · 02-14-2024, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now.

Yep and the oldest are our best players.

It's time to get younger (see Lions, GB, Cowboys).

AsylumGuido · 02-14-2024, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line.
30% going to the pass rush.

Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan.

Just my .02

Agree completely on all points, Danno. We have weapons on offense at all the skill positions and that includes Carr. We have playmakers on the defense and need to plug a hole here or there.

AsylumGuido · 02-14-2024, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now.

But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury.

saintsfan1976 · 02-14-2024, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line.
30% going to the pass rush.

Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan.

Just my .02

Define "address".

Sinner · 02-14-2024, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury.

Brother, you need to put the crack pipe down and realize that we didn’t even win our weak @ss division this year. Pipe Dreams and Excuses don’t equate to WINS.

02-14-2024, 08:49 AM	#11
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,660	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 This now feels like at least a 3 season project. The “Win Now” philosophy has caught up to the Saints. They need to start to shed some dead weight, regardless of the sacrifice they have to make. It would be ugly to watch but at least you can start from scratch. You can’t keep putting the same ingredients in and expect a better outcome. Something has to give. And if the Saints still feel like they can field a contender with basically the same roster and a horrible cap, it’s gonna make the season even more underwhelming. K Major likes this.

02-14-2024, 11:28 AM	#12
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Oh come on guys. It's a cutting edge accounting practice that more and more teams emulate today... Loomis is a genius. It'll never be a problem so stop worrying. K Major likes this.

02-14-2024, 11:29 AM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Off-season plan In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line. 30% going to the pass rush. Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan. Just my .02 jnormand, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

02-14-2024, 11:35 AM	#14
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,369	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by K Major Ranking Comment “There are bigger problems here than the Saints' finances. Yes, as per usual, they are over the cap to a shocking degree. But more importantly, this just wasn't that good a team last year, and there aren't a ton of avenues toward improvement. The core of their roster — Derek Carr, Alvin Kamara, Cameron Jordan, Demario Davis, Tyrann Mathieu — is ancient by NFL standards. Star right tackle Ryan Ramczyk may need to retire for medical reasons. The vibes here just don't seem great.” This right here ^^. Saints are OLD & have a ton of work to do this off season. I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now. Sinner and K Major like this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,873	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by leilung I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now. Old and out of touch ownership and front office = old roster and irrelevant upgrades. K Major likes this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by leilung I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now. Yep and the oldest are our best players. It's time to get younger (see Lions, GB, Cowboys). jnormand likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,212	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Danno In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line. 30% going to the pass rush. Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan. Just my .02 Agree completely on all points, Danno. We have weapons on offense at all the skill positions and that includes Carr. We have playmakers on the defense and need to plug a hole here or there.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,212	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by leilung I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now. But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury.
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02-14-2024, 01:41 PM	#19
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Danno In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line. 30% going to the pass rush. Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan. Just my .02 Define "address".

02-14-2024, 01:55 PM	#20
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,873	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by AsylumGuido But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury. Brother, you need to put the crack pipe down and realize that we didn’t even win our weak @ss division this year. Pipe Dreams and Excuses don’t equate to WINS. mapcow and K Major like this.
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