Off-season plan

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2024, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

This is quite interesting. It used to be where WRs took time to develop in the NFL and seldom had impact right away but you could find a decent OL and plug him in. Nowadays its quite the opposite where WRs enter the league more ready than ever but OL takes a lot longer to develop.

The explanation I keep hearing is that with the new NCAA rules limiting access to the athletes (20 hours per week including all gameday activities including meals), most college programs are going to the more simplistic spread type offenses with shotgun snaps. Linemen are not getting those bunched formations any longer. Blocking schemes are basic at best. Seven step drops are a thing of the past. Linemen just aren't getting taught the techniques required for the NFL game any longer. It's said that coaches aren't motivated to teach any longer and simply try to do the best they can with the limited time they have to try to win to save their jobs. And why should they have that motivation when the ones with the most potential are hitting the transfer portal and/or hitting the draft after two or three seasons anyway. This is true for all positions.

WR's, as you mentioned, seem to be getting more opportunities than ever to learn their wares. 11 and even 10 personnel are becoming more commonplace in the college game, albeit in a spread more than NFL type of alignments.

K Major · 02-14-2024, 01:00 PM

^^ what he said.

Rugby Saint II · 02-14-2024, 01:44 PM

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Cruize · 02-15-2024, 07:16 AM

The Saints should hire Wilks in some defensive role.

K Major · 02-15-2024, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

The Saints should hire Wilks in some defensive role.

I bet Steve sits out 2024 in hopes of becoming a HC again.

Man, the Niners defense was giving Mahomes the business all first half. They played well all season.

Honestly I'm shocked at his firing.

Rugby Saint II · 02-15-2024, 01:45 PM

Offer him an advisory position.

K Major · 02-22-2024, 11:03 AM

With Ramz degenerative knee issue, Andrus Peat being an UFA & Trevor P still struggling ... we really need to hit on the OL in the draft.

Let's hope Kubiak helps with the offense & blocking scheme.

I honestly see the OL as a multiple season "fix". The only player I feel confident about in those trenches is E McCoy. Everyone else is suspect & inconsistent.

BTW, the Saints new OL coach is John Benton.

But as TheOak stated, you can have all of the talent in the world on offense but if the Oline isn't "up to par" ...you're in trouble.

Rugby Saint II · 02-26-2024, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

With Ramz degenerative knee issue, Andrus Peat being an UFA & Trevor P still struggling ... we really need to hit on the OL in the draft.

Let's hope Kubiak helps with the offense & blocking scheme.

I honestly see the OL as a multiple season "fix". The only player I feel confident about in those trenches is E McCoy. Everyone else is suspect & inconsistent.

BTW, the Saints new OL coach is John Benton.

But as TheOak stated, you can have all of the talent in the world on offense but if the Oline isn't "up to par" ...you're in trouble.

You nailed it!

K Major · 02-22-2024, 01:37 PM

Add in 2, or 3 QUALITY players from the draft & free agency while you're at it.

We couldn't even capitalize in a WEAK NFC South conference. More talent is needed and necessary.

The Saints have a TON of work to do.

K Major · 02-22-2024, 02:28 PM

OL takes longer to develop? ... sure but to a certain extent.

If you look at some of the teams we took L's to in 2023 ...

Detroit - Colby Sardial (played in 16, started in 3)
Texans - Juice Scruggs (7 total starts)
Falcons - Matthew Bergeron (started all 17 games)
Bucs - Cody Mauch (started all 17 games)

All rookies in those trenches.

Copy cat league - go do what the winning teams are doing. If you can't, find better national scouts & ooaches.

Saints are all out of excuses on why they are failing every year.

02-22-2024, 02:28 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,672	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Crusader This is quite interesting. It used to be where WRs took time to develop in the NFL and seldom had impact right away but you could find a decent OL and plug him in. Nowadays its quite the opposite where WRs enter the league more ready than ever but OL takes a lot longer to develop. The explanation I keep hearing is that with the new NCAA rules limiting access to the athletes (20 hours per week including all gameday activities including meals), most college programs are going to the more simplistic spread type offenses with shotgun snaps. Linemen are not getting those bunched formations any longer. Blocking schemes are basic at best. Seven step drops are a thing of the past. Linemen just aren't getting taught the techniques required for the NFL game any longer. It's said that coaches aren't motivated to teach any longer and simply try to do the best they can with the limited time they have to try to win to save their jobs. And why should they have that motivation when the ones with the most potential are hitting the transfer portal and/or hitting the draft after two or three seasons anyway. This is true for all positions. WR's, as you mentioned, seem to be getting more opportunities than ever to learn their wares. 11 and even 10 personnel are becoming more commonplace in the college game, albeit in a spread more than NFL type of alignments. Danno and Crusader like this.
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02-14-2024, 01:00 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan ^^ what he said.

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02-15-2024, 07:16 AM	#4
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02-15-2024, 11:08 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Cruize The Saints should hire Wilks in some defensive role. I bet Steve sits out 2024 in hopes of becoming a HC again. Man, the Niners defense was giving Mahomes the business all first half. They played well all season. Honestly I'm shocked at his firing. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

02-15-2024, 01:45 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,166	Re: Off-season plan Offer him an advisory position.

02-22-2024, 11:03 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan With Ramz degenerative knee issue, Andrus Peat being an UFA & Trevor P still struggling ... we really need to hit on the OL in the draft. Let's hope Kubiak helps with the offense & blocking scheme. I honestly see the OL as a multiple season "fix". The only player I feel confident about in those trenches is E McCoy. Everyone else is suspect & inconsistent. BTW, the Saints new OL coach is John Benton. But as TheOak stated, you can have all of the talent in the world on offense but if the Oline isn't "up to par" ...you're in trouble. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-26-2024, 03:41 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,166	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by K Major With Ramz degenerative knee issue, Andrus Peat being an UFA & Trevor P still struggling ... we really need to hit on the OL in the draft. Let's hope Kubiak helps with the offense & blocking scheme. I honestly see the OL as a multiple season "fix". The only player I feel confident about in those trenches is E McCoy. Everyone else is suspect & inconsistent. BTW, the Saints new OL coach is John Benton. But as TheOak stated, you can have all of the talent in the world on offense but if the Oline isn't "up to par" ...you're in trouble. You nailed it!

02-22-2024, 01:37 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Add in 2, or 3 QUALITY players from the draft & free agency while you're at it. We couldn't even capitalize in a WEAK NFC South conference. More talent is needed and necessary. The Saints have a TON of work to do. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

02-22-2024, 02:28 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan OL takes longer to develop? ... sure but to a certain extent. If you look at some of the teams we took L's to in 2023 ... Detroit - Colby Sardial (played in 16, started in 3) Texans - Juice Scruggs (7 total starts) Falcons - Matthew Bergeron (started all 17 games) Bucs - Cody Mauch (started all 17 games) All rookies in those trenches. Copy cat league - go do what the winning teams are doing. If you can't, find better national scouts & ooaches. Saints are all out of excuses on why they are failing every year. Rugby Saint II and BakoSaint like this.