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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheOak I've been meaning to get back to this and kept getting side tracked. '70% of our problems will be fixed if we fix the o-line' - Zero disagreement from me on that, a good line makes ...

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Old 02-22-2024, 12:40 PM   #31
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Re: Off-season plan

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I've been meaning to get back to this and kept getting side tracked.

'70% of our problems will be fixed if we fix the o-line' - Zero disagreement from me on that, a good line makes wide holes and gives plenty of time. Offense is all about time and separation.

"1 0ff-seaspn fix" - This is where I am struggling. We've been yelling at the organization to address various issues with the offensive line for almost a decade. QBs keep getting hurt, screen game has been gone for years, no time to throw or get open. In the last seven years we have drafted 2 OTs and 1 C in the first round which speaks to how necessary it has been to address the offensive line. Now we are just going to fix it in a single camp? What is the formula that has escaped us until this point?
Health + Coaching (Offensive Line/Coordinator) + Free Agency + Development + Draft = Off-Season Fix

The draft is a component that cannot be trusted to have a material affect in one off-season, however. A very popular topic recently is how offensive line prospects coming out of today's college game are becoming more and more ill-prepared for the NFL game. Plug and play athletes at these positions are increasingly rare.
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Old 02-22-2024, 01:19 PM   #32
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Health + Coaching (Offensive Line/Coordinator) + Free Agency + Development + Draft = Off-Season Fix

The draft is a component that cannot be trusted to have a material affect in one off-season, however. A very popular topic recently is how offensive line prospects coming out of today's college game are becoming more and more ill-prepared for the NFL game. Plug and play athletes at these positions are increasingly rare.
We need a new REAL QB, protected by a solid O LINE, we need a new REAL HEAD COACH, a new GM, and a NEW OWNER. NONE OF THIS IS HAPPENING, and you say that there is nothing that any of us can do about it. So pour yourself a new glass of Kool Aid, buy a new Carr Jersey to match your tutu, and fire up the rose colored crack pipe. There will be pain.
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Old 02-22-2024, 02:37 PM   #33
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Add in 2, or 3 QUALITY players from the draft & free agency while you're at it.

We couldn't even capitalize in a WEAK NFC South conference. More talent is needed and necessary.

The Saints have a TON of work to do.
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Old 02-22-2024, 02:47 PM   #34
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A very popular topic recently is how offensive line prospects coming out of today's college game are becoming more and more ill-prepared for the NFL game. Plug and play athletes at these positions are increasingly rare.
This is quite interesting. It used to be where WRs took time to develop in the NFL and seldom had impact right away but you could find a decent OL and plug him in. Nowadays its quite the opposite where WRs enter the league more ready than ever but OL takes a lot longer to develop.
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Old 02-22-2024, 03:28 PM   #35
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OL takes longer to develop? ... sure but to a certain extent.

If you look at some of the teams we took L's to in 2023 ...

Detroit - Colby Sardial (played in 16, started in 3)
Texans - Juice Scruggs (7 total starts)
Falcons - Matthew Bergeron (started all 17 games)
Bucs - Cody Mauch (started all 17 games)

All rookies in those trenches.

Copy cat league - go do what the winning teams are doing. If you can't, find better national scouts & ooaches.

Saints are all out of excuses on why they are failing every year.
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Old 02-22-2024, 03:28 PM   #36
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This is quite interesting. It used to be where WRs took time to develop in the NFL and seldom had impact right away but you could find a decent OL and plug him in. Nowadays its quite the opposite where WRs enter the league more ready than ever but OL takes a lot longer to develop.
The explanation I keep hearing is that with the new NCAA rules limiting access to the athletes (20 hours per week including all gameday activities including meals), most college programs are going to the more simplistic spread type offenses with shotgun snaps. Linemen are not getting those bunched formations any longer. Blocking schemes are basic at best. Seven step drops are a thing of the past. Linemen just aren't getting taught the techniques required for the NFL game any longer. It's said that coaches aren't motivated to teach any longer and simply try to do the best they can with the limited time they have to try to win to save their jobs. And why should they have that motivation when the ones with the most potential are hitting the transfer portal and/or hitting the draft after two or three seasons anyway. This is true for all positions.

WR's, as you mentioned, seem to be getting more opportunities than ever to learn their wares. 11 and even 10 personnel are becoming more commonplace in the college game, albeit in a spread more than NFL type of alignments.
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With Ramz degenerative knee issue, Andrus Peat being an UFA & Trevor P still struggling ... we really need to hit on the OL in the draft.

Let's hope Kubiak helps with the offense & blocking scheme.

I honestly see the OL as a multiple season "fix". The only player I feel confident about in those trenches is E McCoy. Everyone else is suspect & inconsistent.

BTW, the Saints new OL coach is John Benton.

But as TheOak stated, you can have all of the talent in the world on offense but if the Oline isn't "up to par" ...you're in trouble.
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New OC and offensive coaches- check
Renegotiate contracts/cap compliant- check
Dig deep at the Senior bowl and combine- check
Sign FA's to fill holes and draft BPA-?
Draft well-?
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New OC and offensive coaches- check
Renegotiate contracts/cap compliant- check
Dig deep at the Senior bowl and combine- check
Sign FA's to fill holes and draft BPA-?
Draft well-?
We need a new Head Coach.
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Old 03-09-2024, 12:43 PM   #40
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We've been productive this offseason. We have new coaches on offense with a real plan and that is why I'm excited about this team this year. If we can hit on free agents to plug in along with a good draft then we're right back to looking good again.
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