Off-season plan

leilung · 02-14-2024, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury.

I'm going to disagree with you on most of this. Youth = Speed. Speed Kills. Their experience has to be leveraged against that 'lost a step'. You have to balance experience of veterans with the strength, durability, and dspeed of youth. That's why you draft for new blood. If you haven't noticed, teams that have a good balance between the two are most successful.

saintsfan1976 · 02-14-2024, 10:28 AM

Oh come on guys. It's a cutting edge accounting practice that more and more teams emulate today... Loomis is a genius. It'll never be a problem so stop worrying.

Danno · 02-14-2024, 10:29 AM

In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line.
30% going to the pass rush.

Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan.

Just my .02

AsylumGuido · 02-14-2024, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line.
30% going to the pass rush.

Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan.

Just my .02

Agree completely on all points, Danno. We have weapons on offense at all the skill positions and that includes Carr. We have playmakers on the defense and need to plug a hole here or there.

saintsfan1976 · 02-14-2024, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line.
30% going to the pass rush.

Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan.

Just my .02

Define "address".

AsylumGuido · 02-14-2024, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Define "address".

Since that was my take, too, I would define "address" as in hitting the free agent market and further developing some of what we have in house during the off-season. I'd still draft o-line via the draft, but not expecting a quick return.

If we could simply place a consistent lineup out there week to week it would help as much as replacing bodies. I have always felt a successful o-line needs to know and feel exactly what the man on their right and/or left are doing in every situation. 15 different lineups in 17 weeks makes that pretty much impossible.

TheOak · 02-22-2024, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line.
30% going to the pass rush.

Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan.

Just my .02

I've been meaning to get back to this and kept getting side tracked.

‘70% of our problems will be fixed if we fix the o-line' - Zero disagreement from me on that, a good line makes wide holes and gives plenty of time. Offense is all about time and separation.

"1 0ff-season fix" - This is where I am struggling. We've been yelling at the organization to address various issues with the offensive line for almost a decade. QBs keep getting hurt, screen game has been gone for years, no time to throw or get open. In the last seven years we have drafted 2 OTs and 1 C in the first round which speaks to how necessary it has been to address the offensive line. Now we are just going to fix it in a single camp? What is the formula that has escaped us until this point?

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2024, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I've been meaning to get back to this and kept getting side tracked.

'70% of our problems will be fixed if we fix the o-line' - Zero disagreement from me on that, a good line makes wide holes and gives plenty of time. Offense is all about time and separation.

"1 0ff-seaspn fix" - This is where I am struggling. We've been yelling at the organization to address various issues with the offensive line for almost a decade. QBs keep getting hurt, screen game has been gone for years, no time to throw or get open. In the last seven years we have drafted 2 OTs and 1 C in the first round which speaks to how necessary it has been to address the offensive line. Now we are just going to fix it in a single camp? What is the formula that has escaped us until this point?

Health + Coaching (Offensive Line/Coordinator) + Free Agency + Development + Draft = Off-Season Fix

The draft is a component that cannot be trusted to have a material affect in one off-season, however. A very popular topic recently is how offensive line prospects coming out of today's college game are becoming more and more ill-prepared for the NFL game. Plug and play athletes at these positions are increasingly rare.

Sinner · 02-22-2024, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Health + Coaching (Offensive Line/Coordinator) + Free Agency + Development + Draft = Off-Season Fix

The draft is a component that cannot be trusted to have a material affect in one off-season, however. A very popular topic recently is how offensive line prospects coming out of today's college game are becoming more and more ill-prepared for the NFL game. Plug and play athletes at these positions are increasingly rare.

We need a new REAL QB, protected by a solid O LINE, we need a new REAL HEAD COACH, a new GM, and a NEW OWNER. NONE OF THIS IS HAPPENING, and you say that there is nothing that any of us can do about it. So pour yourself a new glass of Kool Aid, buy a new Carr Jersey to match your tutu, and fire up the rose colored crack pipe. There will be pain.

Crusader · 02-22-2024, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

A very popular topic recently is how offensive line prospects coming out of today's college game are becoming more and more ill-prepared for the NFL game. Plug and play athletes at these positions are increasingly rare.

This is quite interesting. It used to be where WRs took time to develop in the NFL and seldom had impact right away but you could find a decent OL and plug him in. Nowadays its quite the opposite where WRs enter the league more ready than ever but OL takes a lot longer to develop.

02-14-2024, 09:06 PM	#1
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,426	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by AsylumGuido But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury. I'm going to disagree with you on most of this. Youth = Speed. Speed Kills. Their experience has to be leveraged against that 'lost a step'. You have to balance experience of veterans with the strength, durability, and dspeed of youth. That's why you draft for new blood. If you haven't noticed, teams that have a good balance between the two are most successful. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-14-2024, 10:28 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,026 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Oh come on guys. It's a cutting edge accounting practice that more and more teams emulate today... Loomis is a genius. It'll never be a problem so stop worrying. K Major likes this.

02-14-2024, 10:29 AM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Off-season plan In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line. 30% going to the pass rush. Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan. Just my .02 jnormand, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

02-14-2024, 11:44 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Danno In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line. 30% going to the pass rush. Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan. Just my .02 Agree completely on all points, Danno. We have weapons on offense at all the skill positions and that includes Carr. We have playmakers on the defense and need to plug a hole here or there.

02-14-2024, 12:41 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,026 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Danno In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line. 30% going to the pass rush. Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan. Just my .02 Define "address".

02-14-2024, 01:40 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Define "address". Since that was my take, too, I would define "address" as in hitting the free agent market and further developing some of what we have in house during the off-season. I'd still draft o-line via the draft, but not expecting a quick return. If we could simply place a consistent lineup out there week to week it would help as much as replacing bodies. I have always felt a successful o-line needs to know and feel exactly what the man on their right and/or left are doing in every situation. 15 different lineups in 17 weeks makes that pretty much impossible.
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02-22-2024, 10:22 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Danno In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line. 30% going to the pass rush. Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan. Just my .02 I've been meaning to get back to this and kept getting side tracked. ‘70% of our problems will be fixed if we fix the o-line' - Zero disagreement from me on that, a good line makes wide holes and gives plenty of time. Offense is all about time and separation. "1 0ff-season fix" - This is where I am struggling. We've been yelling at the organization to address various issues with the offensive line for almost a decade. QBs keep getting hurt, screen game has been gone for years, no time to throw or get open. In the last seven years we have drafted 2 OTs and 1 C in the first round which speaks to how necessary it has been to address the offensive line. Now we are just going to fix it in a single camp? What is the formula that has escaped us until this point? Sinner and K Major like this.
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02-22-2024, 11:40 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by TheOak I've been meaning to get back to this and kept getting side tracked. '70% of our problems will be fixed if we fix the o-line' - Zero disagreement from me on that, a good line makes wide holes and gives plenty of time. Offense is all about time and separation. "1 0ff-seaspn fix" - This is where I am struggling. We've been yelling at the organization to address various issues with the offensive line for almost a decade. QBs keep getting hurt, screen game has been gone for years, no time to throw or get open. In the last seven years we have drafted 2 OTs and 1 C in the first round which speaks to how necessary it has been to address the offensive line. Now we are just going to fix it in a single camp? What is the formula that has escaped us until this point? Health + Coaching (Offensive Line/Coordinator) + Free Agency + Development + Draft = Off-Season Fix The draft is a component that cannot be trusted to have a material affect in one off-season, however. A very popular topic recently is how offensive line prospects coming out of today's college game are becoming more and more ill-prepared for the NFL game. Plug and play athletes at these positions are increasingly rare.

02-22-2024, 12:19 PM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Health + Coaching (Offensive Line/Coordinator) + Free Agency + Development + Draft = Off-Season Fix The draft is a component that cannot be trusted to have a material affect in one off-season, however. A very popular topic recently is how offensive line prospects coming out of today's college game are becoming more and more ill-prepared for the NFL game. Plug and play athletes at these positions are increasingly rare. We need a new REAL QB, protected by a solid O LINE, we need a new REAL HEAD COACH, a new GM, and a NEW OWNER. NONE OF THIS IS HAPPENING, and you say that there is nothing that any of us can do about it. So pour yourself a new glass of Kool Aid, buy a new Carr Jersey to match your tutu, and fire up the rose colored crack pipe. There will be pain. K Major likes this.
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02-22-2024, 01:47 PM	#10
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,045	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by AsylumGuido A very popular topic recently is how offensive line prospects coming out of today's college game are becoming more and more ill-prepared for the NFL game. Plug and play athletes at these positions are increasingly rare. This is quite interesting. It used to be where WRs took time to develop in the NFL and seldom had impact right away but you could find a decent OL and plug him in. Nowadays its quite the opposite where WRs enter the league more ready than ever but OL takes a lot longer to develop. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.