Off-season plan

K Major · 02-14-2024, 02:00 PM

^^ what he said.

AsylumGuido · 02-14-2024, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Define "address".

Since that was my take, too, I would define "address" as in hitting the free agent market and further developing some of what we have in house during the off-season. I'd still draft o-line via the draft, but not expecting a quick return.

If we could simply place a consistent lineup out there week to week it would help as much as replacing bodies. I have always felt a successful o-line needs to know and feel exactly what the man on their right and/or left are doing in every situation. 15 different lineups in 17 weeks makes that pretty much impossible.

Rugby Saint II · 02-14-2024, 02:44 PM

Get younger. Get faster. Get cheaper.

K Major · 02-14-2024, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Brother, you need to put the crack pipe down and realize that we didn’t even win our weak @ss division this year. Pipe Dreams and Excuses don’t equate to WINS.

Case in point - Steve Wilks fired as 49ers defensive coordinator

Some franchises just have higher standards and definitions of winning.

leilung · 02-14-2024, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury.

I'm going to disagree with you on most of this. Youth = Speed. Speed Kills. Their experience has to be leveraged against that 'lost a step'. You have to balance experience of veterans with the strength, durability, and dspeed of youth. That's why you draft for new blood. If you haven't noticed, teams that have a good balance between the two are most successful.

Cruize · 02-15-2024, 08:16 AM

The Saints should hire Wilks in some defensive role.

K Major · 02-15-2024, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

The Saints should hire Wilks in some defensive role.

I bet Steve sits out 2024 in hopes of becoming a HC again.

Man, the Niners defense was giving Mahomes the business all first half. They played well all season.

Honestly I'm shocked at his firing.

Rugby Saint II · 02-15-2024, 02:45 PM

Offer him an advisory position.

TheOak · 02-22-2024, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line.
30% going to the pass rush.

Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan.

Just my .02

I've been meaning to get back to this and kept getting side tracked.

‘70% of our problems will be fixed if we fix the o-line' - Zero disagreement from me on that, a good line makes wide holes and gives plenty of time. Offense is all about time and separation.

"1 0ff-season fix" - This is where I am struggling. We've been yelling at the organization to address various issues with the offensive line for almost a decade. QBs keep getting hurt, screen game has been gone for years, no time to throw or get open. In the last seven years we have drafted 2 OTs and 1 C in the first round which speaks to how necessary it has been to address the offensive line. Now we are just going to fix it in a single camp? What is the formula that has escaped us until this point?

K Major · 02-22-2024, 12:03 PM

With Ramz degenerative knee issue, Andrus Peat being an UFA & Trevor P still struggling ... we really need to hit on the OL in the draft.

Let's hope Kubiak helps with the offense & blocking scheme.

I honestly see the OL as a multiple season "fix". The only player I feel confident about in those trenches is E McCoy. Everyone else is suspect & inconsistent.

BTW, the Saints new OL coach is John Benton.

But as TheOak stated, you can have all of the talent in the world on offense but if the Oline isn't "up to par" ...you're in trouble.

02-14-2024, 02:00 PM	#21
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan ^^ what he said.

02-14-2024, 02:40 PM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,212	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Define "address". Since that was my take, too, I would define "address" as in hitting the free agent market and further developing some of what we have in house during the off-season. I'd still draft o-line via the draft, but not expecting a quick return. If we could simply place a consistent lineup out there week to week it would help as much as replacing bodies. I have always felt a successful o-line needs to know and feel exactly what the man on their right and/or left are doing in every situation. 15 different lineups in 17 weeks makes that pretty much impossible.
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02-14-2024, 03:16 PM	#24
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Sinner Brother, you need to put the crack pipe down and realize that we didn’t even win our weak @ss division this year. Pipe Dreams and Excuses don’t equate to WINS. Case in point - Steve Wilks fired as 49ers defensive coordinator Some franchises just have higher standards and definitions of winning. Sinner likes this.

02-14-2024, 10:06 PM	#25
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,369	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by AsylumGuido But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury. I'm going to disagree with you on most of this. Youth = Speed. Speed Kills. Their experience has to be leveraged against that 'lost a step'. You have to balance experience of veterans with the strength, durability, and dspeed of youth. That's why you draft for new blood. If you haven't noticed, teams that have a good balance between the two are most successful. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Cruize The Saints should hire Wilks in some defensive role. I bet Steve sits out 2024 in hopes of becoming a HC again. Man, the Niners defense was giving Mahomes the business all first half. They played well all season. Honestly I'm shocked at his firing. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

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02-22-2024, 11:22 AM	#29
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Danno In my opinion, 70% of our problems will be fixed if we address the O-line. 30% going to the pass rush. Its a 1 off-season fix, not a 3 year plan. Just my .02 I've been meaning to get back to this and kept getting side tracked. ‘70% of our problems will be fixed if we fix the o-line' - Zero disagreement from me on that, a good line makes wide holes and gives plenty of time. Offense is all about time and separation. "1 0ff-season fix" - This is where I am struggling. We've been yelling at the organization to address various issues with the offensive line for almost a decade. QBs keep getting hurt, screen game has been gone for years, no time to throw or get open. In the last seven years we have drafted 2 OTs and 1 C in the first round which speaks to how necessary it has been to address the offensive line. Now we are just going to fix it in a single camp? What is the formula that has escaped us until this point? Sinner and K Major like this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan With Ramz degenerative knee issue, Andrus Peat being an UFA & Trevor P still struggling ... we really need to hit on the OL in the draft. Let's hope Kubiak helps with the offense & blocking scheme. I honestly see the OL as a multiple season "fix". The only player I feel confident about in those trenches is E McCoy. Everyone else is suspect & inconsistent. BTW, the Saints new OL coach is John Benton. But as TheOak stated, you can have all of the talent in the world on offense but if the Oline isn't "up to par" ...you're in trouble. Rugby Saint II likes this.