Off-season plan

SmashMouth · 05-02-2024, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints need TWO tackles this off season. Ramz definitely needs to retire.

DA says Ramcyzk's knee could be a concern going into the season

Between the two they drafted and what shakes out with the UDFAs and young vets, we might be better than at first surmised. We'll see as we go forward.

saintsfan1976 · 02-14-2024, 07:07 AM

This now feels like at least a 3 season project.

jnormand · 02-14-2024, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

This now feels like at least a 3 season project.

The “Win Now” philosophy has caught up to the Saints. They need to start to shed some dead weight, regardless of the sacrifice they have to make. It would be ugly to watch but at least you can start from scratch. You can’t keep putting the same ingredients in and expect a better outcome.

Something has to give. And if the Saints still feel like they can field a contender with basically the same roster and a horrible cap, it’s gonna make the season even more underwhelming.

K Major · 02-14-2024, 07:42 AM

Ranking Comment
“There are bigger problems here than the Saints' finances. Yes, as per usual, they are over the cap to a shocking degree. But more importantly, this just wasn't that good a team last year, and there aren't a ton of avenues toward improvement. The core of their roster — Derek Carr, Alvin Kamara, Cameron Jordan, Demario Davis, Tyrann Mathieu — is ancient by NFL standards. Star right tackle Ryan Ramczyk may need to retire for medical reasons. The vibes here just don't seem great.”

This right here ^^.

Saints are OLD & have a ton of work to do this off season.

leilung · 02-14-2024, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Ranking Comment
“There are bigger problems here than the Saints' finances. Yes, as per usual, they are over the cap to a shocking degree. But more importantly, this just wasn't that good a team last year, and there aren't a ton of avenues toward improvement. The core of their roster — Derek Carr, Alvin Kamara, Cameron Jordan, Demario Davis, Tyrann Mathieu — is ancient by NFL standards. Star right tackle Ryan Ramczyk may need to retire for medical reasons. The vibes here just don't seem great.”

This right here ^^.

Saints are OLD & have a ton of work to do this off season.

I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now.

Sinner · 02-14-2024, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now.

Old and out of touch ownership and front office = old roster and irrelevant upgrades.

K Major · 02-14-2024, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now.

Yep and the oldest are our best players.

It's time to get younger (see Lions, GB, Cowboys).

AsylumGuido · 02-14-2024, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now.

But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury.

Sinner · 02-14-2024, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury.

Brother, you need to put the crack pipe down and realize that we didn’t even win our weak @ss division this year. Pipe Dreams and Excuses don’t equate to WINS.

K Major · 02-14-2024, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Brother, you need to put the crack pipe down and realize that we didn’t even win our weak @ss division this year. Pipe Dreams and Excuses don’t equate to WINS.

Case in point - Steve Wilks fired as 49ers defensive coordinator

Some franchises just have higher standards and definitions of winning.

05-02-2024, 08:25 PM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,816 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by K Major Saints need TWO tackles this off season. Ramz definitely needs to retire. DA says Ramcyzk's knee could be a concern going into the season Between the two they drafted and what shakes out with the UDFAs and young vets, we might be better than at first surmised. We'll see as we go forward. leilung likes this.
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02-14-2024, 07:07 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,026 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan This now feels like at least a 3 season project. K Major likes this.

02-14-2024, 07:49 AM	#3
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,761	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 This now feels like at least a 3 season project. The “Win Now” philosophy has caught up to the Saints. They need to start to shed some dead weight, regardless of the sacrifice they have to make. It would be ugly to watch but at least you can start from scratch. You can’t keep putting the same ingredients in and expect a better outcome. Something has to give. And if the Saints still feel like they can field a contender with basically the same roster and a horrible cap, it’s gonna make the season even more underwhelming. K Major likes this.

02-14-2024, 07:42 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Ranking Comment “There are bigger problems here than the Saints' finances. Yes, as per usual, they are over the cap to a shocking degree. But more importantly, this just wasn't that good a team last year, and there aren't a ton of avenues toward improvement. The core of their roster — Derek Carr, Alvin Kamara, Cameron Jordan, Demario Davis, Tyrann Mathieu — is ancient by NFL standards. Star right tackle Ryan Ramczyk may need to retire for medical reasons. The vibes here just don't seem great.” This right here ^^. Saints are OLD & have a ton of work to do this off season.

02-14-2024, 10:35 AM	#5
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,426	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by K Major Ranking Comment “There are bigger problems here than the Saints' finances. Yes, as per usual, they are over the cap to a shocking degree. But more importantly, this just wasn't that good a team last year, and there aren't a ton of avenues toward improvement. The core of their roster — Derek Carr, Alvin Kamara, Cameron Jordan, Demario Davis, Tyrann Mathieu — is ancient by NFL standards. Star right tackle Ryan Ramczyk may need to retire for medical reasons. The vibes here just don't seem great.” This right here ^^. Saints are OLD & have a ton of work to do this off season. I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now. Sinner and K Major like this.

02-14-2024, 10:45 AM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by leilung I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now. Old and out of touch ownership and front office = old roster and irrelevant upgrades. K Major likes this.
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02-14-2024, 10:47 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by leilung I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now. Yep and the oldest are our best players. It's time to get younger (see Lions, GB, Cowboys). jnormand likes this.

02-14-2024, 11:57 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by leilung I believe that we have one of the oldest rosters in the league right now. But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-14-2024, 12:55 PM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by AsylumGuido But those listed "old" players are still better than most players far younger. There is not a direct correlation between age and value. Demario Davis, for example, is one of the top LB's in the league today even at his supposed advanced age. The same can be said for players like Mathieu and Kamara. While Cam Jordan may seem like he has lost a step he's still drawing double teams as often as players ten years younger. Our problem isn't our older players, it's those younger players that can't stay on the field due to injury. Brother, you need to put the crack pipe down and realize that we didn’t even win our weak @ss division this year. Pipe Dreams and Excuses don’t equate to WINS. mapcow and K Major like this.
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02-14-2024, 02:16 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Off-season plan Originally Posted by Sinner Brother, you need to put the crack pipe down and realize that we didn’t even win our weak @ss division this year. Pipe Dreams and Excuses don’t equate to WINS. Case in point - Steve Wilks fired as 49ers defensive coordinator Some franchises just have higher standards and definitions of winning. Sinner likes this.