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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. He doesn't qualify as an end of contract free agent. Same with Thomas if he signs elsewhere. Even if he was he'd only go into the compensatory formula which balances additions against subtractions and factors ...
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Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
The benefit with Thomas, is he will be gone, and an even better receiver will take his slot. ![]()
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Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston
A couple of more notes on compensatory picks. Along with average contract pay per year the percentage of snaps played (playing time I mentioned earlier) factors into the formula. There is also a limit of four per team. But more importantly, only 32 compensatory picks are given (except for very rare circumstances). Post-season awards or honors are also factored into the formula. The total of all eligible picks are finally ranked based upon all factors and ONLY the top 32 are awarded. Therefore, if a team had a qualifying balance which would normally result in picks they would not receive any if ranked 33 or lower. That's why you never know the full extent of compensatory picks until after the season when when all factors are known.
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Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
That's another explanation for the RG factor, bless his heart
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Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston
Invest in Under Armor. It's freakin' cold as hell up there. Stay warm and try not to get shot.
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Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston
Can we frame this? It's like a Solar Eclipse! These guys agreeing?
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Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston
Here is an article from May 2023 anticipating the Saints would receive two 4th round and one 6th round comp pick. We ended up with three 5th round comp picks. So by this May we will have a pretty good idea of our comp picks or lack thereof. 'You never know the full extent' just means you do know 80%.
https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...jr-nfl-rumors/ At this point Chase Young kind of blows our comp pick situation for 2025 because he counts. Carr did not count last year because the Raiders cut him. Roach and Gay cancel out. If Young earns and plays less than expected he will still be the biggest number on our sheet, even if he misses the whole year I think he earns $4.5 million. Losing Winston, Thomas, and Maye won't count because we technically cut them. We don't know how much Yiadom or Baun was paid yet but its not expected to be enough to count. If Peat gets a lot of money elsewhere, it would just offset Chase Young and we still have no net loss of qualifying players. And we still could sign players, whereas I am not sure who other than Peat who we could lose who would be qualifying. Unless Baun or Yiadom becomes some sort of awarded superstar with their new team, it seems like we are not getting comp picks in 2025. |
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Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
Simple, isn't it? ![]()
![]() Didn't we all beotched about the Patriots always getting more of their fair share of comp picks year in and year out? That narrative seems to have cooled a bit. Are the rest of the teams more up to speed on how to benefit from that? What's different? | |
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Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston
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At this point we don't even know whether Young will count in any significant manner against the formula. Nor will we know until the season starts. It depends upon how many snaps he plays and how much of those weekly roster and preseason workout bonuses he's able to earn.![]()
As for not getting comp picks, only 32 are awarded for player related transactions each year. Not getting one simply means that you gained more value than you lost through free agency. That isn't necessarily a bad thing. |
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Re: Saints turning the Page on Winston
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Please take a look at the 2024 final comp picks on the site below. It breaks down free agents acquired into CFA's lost and gained, and non-CFA's lost and gained. Only CFA's count. CFA's gained and lost cancel out, and no team gets a comp pick unless they lose more CFA's than they gain. Every team that lost more CFA's than they gained got the difference in comp picks, so every CFA counts, unless you gain far more than you lose and then its just sort of gravy as you can't get negative picks.![]()
So if Young counts as a CFA, he will definitely reduce our chances of getting a comp pick if we had any chances of getting a comp pick in the first place. If we would have got 1 or more comp picks without signing Young, and Young is deemed a CFA, we will get that many comp picks minus one due to signing Young, thats just how it works. If you don't believe me, look at every single teams final comp picks results in the link below. Be sure to click to the 2024 tab to see actual results not 2025 projections. So then the only question is will Young count as a CFA. You say that cannot be determined until we see how many games and snaps he plays and what his final salary is. But here is the thing. Look at 2024 results for every team. Young's base salary is 2.7 million and his signing bonus was 1.86 million. So, even if he plays zero games, I believe he is guaranteed 4.5 million APY. Now refer to the 2024 comp pick results and find the highest paid non-CFA and the lowest paid CFA. You will find the highest paid non-CFA made 2.5m APY and the lowest paid CFA made $2.25m APY. So while snap count and awards can matter at the margin for players with salaries in the mid 2 millions range, and perhaps with the adjusted salary cap we will see CFA's making as low as 2.5m and non-CFA's as much as 2.75m, Young making 4.5m will definitely be a CFA unless he fails a physical and cancels his entire contract, and as a CFA he will definitely reduce the comp picks we would receive, if any, by one pick. How many snaps he plays and what awards he will will just affect what round of comp pick the 49ers get for losing him if he is one of their losses that does not get canceled out, but he will definitely be one of our gains that cancels out one of our losses and reduces by one any comp picks we may have received. Thats ok, we don't need comp picks every year, but it is reality, he will count. https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks |
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