Kubiak isn't a 'sure fire' solution to the offense. I like what I've read about him in Saints camp specifically. A fresh approach is necessary and from all accounts the players have welcomed the changes with open arms. That in itself may be enough to get us over .600

Year Position Record Playoff record

2023 San Francisco 49ers Offensive Passing Game Specialist 12-5-0 2-1
2022 Denver Broncos Offensive Pass Game Coordinator / Quarterbacks Coach 5-12-0 0-0
2021 Minnesota Vikings Offensive Coordinator 8-9-0 0-0
2020 Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach 7-9-0 0-0
2019 Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach 10-6-0 1-1
2018 Denver Broncos Quarterbacks Coach / Offensive Assistant Coach 6-10-0 0-0
2017 Denver Broncos Quarterbacks Coach / Offensive Assistant Coach 5-11-0 0-0
2016 Denver Broncos Quarterbacks Coach / Offensive Assistant Coach 9-7-0 0-0
2014 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Wide Receivers Coach / Quality Control Coach 7-9-0 0-0
2013 Minnesota Vikings Offensive Quality Control Coach 5-10-1 0-0

At this point anything is a step up from Carmichael and crew. Nothing is sure fire, even the doom and gloom preached by Bako and gang. At least this offensive scheme has a solid pedigree of success behind it.

Sean Payton, a super bowl win, several deep playoff runs, and numerous records would have seemed a MORE solid pedigree for Carmichael. Josh McDaniels had an excellent pedigree. Carmichael had a better pedigree than Carr or DA. But its still possible Carmichael was the biggest big problem and possible as a younger coach Kubiak will bring solutions. But I would say its more likely to have a minimal effect. First problem is Carmichael was probably not the biggest problem. Second problem Kubiak is an unknown commodity with mixed results. Essentially I view it more like when the Falcons switched from Matt Ryan to Mariota / Ridder. No guarantee the replacement would be better, in the end it was a total wash, and it could have been worse, but they were never winning a ring with Matt Ryan anyway so the worst case scenario was a higher draft pick.

Sean Payton, a super bowl win, several deep playoff runs, and numerous records would have seemed a MORE solid pedigree for Carmichael. Josh McDaniels had an excellent pedigree. Carmichael had a better pedigree than Carr or DA. But its still possible Carmichael was the biggest big problem and possible as a younger coach Kubiak will bring solutions. But I would say its more likely to have a minimal effect. First problem is Carmichael was probably not the biggest problem. Second problem Kubiak is an unknown commodity with mixed results. Essentially I view it more like when the Falcons switched from Matt Ryan to Mariota / Ridder. No guarantee the replacement would be better, in the end it was a total wash, and it could have been worse, but they were never winning a ring with Matt Ryan anyway so the worst case scenario was a higher draft pick.

I see you completely missed the point. Read what I posted carefully. The pedigree I was referring to was was not the individual, but to the scheme this individual is bringing to the Saints.

The teams that have run the Shanahan/Kubiak schemes have almost always produced elite offensive numbers. That's what we are talking about here. Make no mistake, we were not running the Carmichael offense when Payton was in New Orleans. Payton ran the offensive side of the ball. It was 100% his scheme. In the brief time since Payton left the offense has quickly gone down the tubes under Carmichael.

The rest of whatever it was that you wrote has no relevance to the scheme that Kubiak brings to our offense.

Kubiak isn't a 'sure fire' solution to the offense. I like what I've read about him in Saints camp specifically. A fresh approach is necessary and from all accounts the players have welcomed the changes with open arms. That in itself may be enough to get us over .600

Year Position Record Playoff record

2023 San Francisco 49ers Offensive Passing Game Specialist 12-5-0 2-1
2022 Denver Broncos Offensive Pass Game Coordinator / Quarterbacks Coach 5-12-0 0-0
2021 Minnesota Vikings Offensive Coordinator 8-9-0 0-0
2020 Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach 7-9-0 0-0
2019 Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach 10-6-0 1-1
2018 Denver Broncos Quarterbacks Coach / Offensive Assistant Coach 6-10-0 0-0
2017 Denver Broncos Quarterbacks Coach / Offensive Assistant Coach 5-11-0 0-0
2016 Denver Broncos Quarterbacks Coach / Offensive Assistant Coach 9-7-0 0-0
2014 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Wide Receivers Coach / Quality Control Coach 7-9-0 0-0
2013 Minnesota Vikings Offensive Quality Control Coach 5-10-1 0-0