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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by BakoSaint I think the connection of Klint Kubiak being Kyle Shannahan 2.0 is pretty questionable. They worked together for 1 year. Kubiak has been a journeyman assistant who has been a lot of places. I believe Kubiak ...

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Old 07-27-2024, 12:34 PM   #1
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I think the connection of Klint Kubiak being Kyle Shannahan 2.0 is pretty questionable. They worked together for 1 year. Kubiak has been a journeyman assistant who has been a lot of places. I believe Kubiak was passing game coordinator for Shannahan. In 2006 John Morton was passing game coordinator for the Saints under Payton during a very successful offensive season. Later, Morton became offensive coordinator of the NY Jets. But John Morton was not Sean Payton 2.0. They did not exactly get the Sean Payton offense. Maybe we will get an SF-like offense but who knows. Maybe we will get a poor mans Gary Kubiak offense with our own expensive Matt Schaub.

One question about an SF-like offense is that all that blocking and physicality could lead to injuries. Before McCaffery's luck streak, basically all SF starting RB had an injury every season. Deebo Samuel has had an injury every season. Garappalo had an injury every season. Purdy is 50/50 on ending seasons with injury. Kittle is on and off the field with injury constantly and his effectiveness varies greatly. I could be wrong, but if Kubiak was capable of implementing an SF-like offense here, it could be good to have lots of youth and depth and not tons of money committed to existing talent because we understand who can stay healthy in that type of offense. So like, annointing Hill and Carr as perfect fits for the offense and giving Kamara a big extension assuming success in the offense, that could be a big risk. Keeping draft picks, not trading up and maintaining a quantity of picks, and retaining young players like Shaheed, that could be smart.
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And the perpetual negativity continues to flow. It must be sad to be you. Worse, it must be sad to live with you.
very hateful rhetoric on your part. Haters gonna Hate. fits you well.
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Old 09-12-2024, 09:43 AM   #3
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I think the connection of Klint Kubiak being Kyle Shannahan 2.0 is pretty questionable. They worked together for 1 year. Kubiak has been a journeyman assistant who has been a lot of places. I believe Kubiak was passing game coordinator for Shannahan. In 2006 John Morton was passing game coordinator for the Saints under Payton during a very successful offensive season. Later, Morton became offensive coordinator of the NY Jets. But John Morton was not Sean Payton 2.0. They did not exactly get the Sean Payton offense. Maybe we will get an SF-like offense but who knows. Maybe we will get a poor mans Gary Kubiak offense with our own expensive Matt Schaub.

One question about an SF-like offense is that all that blocking and physicality could lead to injuries. Before McCaffery's luck streak, basically all SF starting RB had an injury every season. Deebo Samuel has had an injury every season. Garappalo had an injury every season. Purdy is 50/50 on ending seasons with injury. Kittle is on and off the field with injury constantly and his effectiveness varies greatly. I could be wrong, but if Kubiak was capable of implementing an SF-like offense here, it could be good to have lots of youth and depth and not tons of money committed to existing talent because we understand who can stay healthy in that type of offense. So like, annointing Hill and Carr as perfect fits for the offense and giving Kamara a big extension assuming success in the offense, that could be a big risk. Keeping draft picks, not trading up and maintaining a quantity of picks, and retaining young players like Shaheed, that could be smart.
Salient points, as usual. Keep in mind that all that potential for injury will increase Quido’s potential to continue to use injury as an excuse for our pathetic mismanagement of resources.
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Thats a pretty good bit to listen to.
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In the end, we would probably have the same or better record with Pete Carmichael. And thats not because he is the better OC, its because we had the personnel to run his system. This should serve as a lesson why you dont try to 'wizard' your way out of the salary cap. When you do, most of your roster is locked in because cutting or trading any starter leads to a massive dead cap hit from years of restructuring, that make players cost more to cut than to extend, and living at max cap there is not much space to bring in new players. Thus, when we brought in an OC with a totally different system, we couldn't bring in any players suited to that system. And in a physical smash mouth new system, unsuited players meant injuries.

In the end I think we have two choices. Either do a full rebuild, or bring back Pete Carmichael as OC and Ryan Nielsen as HC and run the same system forever, so we can brag about beating the salary cap without facing one of the main drawbacks.
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Thus, when we brought in an OC with a totally different system, we couldn't bring in any players suited to that system. And in a physical smash mouth new system, unsuited players meant injuries.
This right here ^^. There is something going on with regards to the Saints practices, temperature, load management & medical in general.

IMO this is more than just "bad luck" or "snake bit", there has got to be an underlying cause, could be an organizational thing.
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