Is it possible to bring #9 back to help out the QB stable? With the young new talent, could he possibly coach them a bit? Or is he all in on Pickle Ball?

He's all in on his family right now and his many business ventures. Coaching is so demanding at every level. My late father-in-law was a Louisiana High School Hall of Fame coach and I learned from him and my wife how demanding it was.

It is unlikely, but still remotely possible, that Haener or Rattler could be as good or better than Carr has been in the past. It is much more likely that Haener or Rattler could be as good or better than Carr is in the future, due to Carr declining and the team looking to evaluate cheaper options with more upside. The two are very different questions. Its like comparing prime Donovan McNabb or Drew Bledsoe in the Super Bowl vs later career McNabb or Bledsoe after they put all their hopes on switching teams being the magic ingredient to get to the next left, found themselves still on the B list, and lost the hunger to prove it and moved to the D list. That could happen to Carr this year or next.


The chances of a 1st round pick QB being better than Derek Carr has been are indeed low. 1 in 6 could be reasonable. I am not sure they are way worse if that pick is in the 10-60 range not top 5-10, so taking shots later is fair too.

The thing is, though Carr has been pretty good, he has not been good enough to win a ring. He is also highly paid and aging. When so-so QBs like Carr win a ring, it is usually because they are on their rookie contract or a bargain contract, cost little, and the team is loaded with other talent with cash to add more. Or it can be when a veteran QB goes to a team that is highly loaded and has not yet mortgaged the future and is ready to win now. It will never work to add a QB like Carr to a mediocre .500ish team with a decent but aging defense and a poor oline and coach that is already cash strapped, and gradually build around the aging mediocre QB while watching their salary increase from 30 to 40 to 50 million a year for mediocrity. Its just not a valid formula.

So the best thing for the Saints at QB would be to take a chance with a young player. If they are great, they may win for a decade or two. If they are horrible, there will be a draft pick to take a chance on another in 2-3 years, and during those 2-3 years they can draft talented young oline, pass rushers, receivers, etc with their picks while evaluating the first QB, giving more chances for the next. If the young QB is pretty good but not great, a lateral move from Carr, they will still be much cheaper than Carr on the Salary Cap, leaving room to give them more help than Carr has. And when they get older and more expensive if its still not working, there could be the chance to trade them for picks and rebuild like the Lions did with Stafford or the Packers with Rodgers.

The draft is a gamble. But when you gamble you have a chance to win. Paying Carr $40 million is buying a bronze medal at the pawn shop instead of entering the race at all.

It is unlikely, but still remotely possible, that Haener or Rattler could be as good or better than Carr has been in the past. It is much more likely that Haener or Rattler could be as good or better than Carr is in the future, due to Carr declining and the team looking to evaluate cheaper options with more upside. The two are very different questions. Its like comparing prime Donovan McNabb or Drew Bledsoe in the Super Bowl vs later career McNabb or Bledsoe after they put all their hopes on switching teams being the magic ingredient to get to the next left, found themselves still on the B list, and lost the hunger to prove it and moved to the D list. That could happen to Carr this year or next.


The chances of a 1st round pick QB being better than Derek Carr has been are indeed low. 1 in 6 could be reasonable. I am not sure they are way worse if that pick is in the 10-60 range not top 5-10, so taking shots later is fair too.

The thing is, though Carr has been pretty good, he has not been good enough to win a ring. He is also highly paid and aging. When so-so QBs like Carr win a ring, it is usually because they are on their rookie contract or a bargain contract, cost little, and the team is loaded with other talent with cash to add more. Or it can be when a veteran QB goes to a team that is highly loaded and has not yet mortgaged the future and is ready to win now. It will never work to add a QB like Carr to a mediocre .500ish team with a decent but aging defense and a poor oline and coach that is already cash strapped, and gradually build around the aging mediocre QB while watching their salary increase from 30 to 40 to 50 million a year for mediocrity. Its just not a valid formula.

So the best thing for the Saints at QB would be to take a chance with a young player. If they are great, they may win for a decade or two. If they are horrible, there will be a draft pick to take a chance on another in 2-3 years, and during those 2-3 years they can draft talented young oline, pass rushers, receivers, etc with their picks while evaluating the first QB, giving more chances for the next. If the young QB is pretty good but not great, a lateral move from Carr, they will still be much cheaper than Carr on the Salary Cap, leaving room to give them more help than Carr has. And when they get older and more expensive if its still not working, there could be the chance to trade them for picks and rebuild like the Lions did with Stafford or the Packers with Rodgers.

The draft is a gamble. But when you gamble you have a chance to win. Paying Carr $40 million is buying a bronze medal at the pawn shop instead of entering the race at all.

Too much gambling can also put you in a bad spot for years to come.

For over 40 years I kept saying that I wanted the Saints to win it all one time before I died. They finally did in 2010. And a few years later our name finally came up for season tickets after a 15 year wait. At this point in my life I just want to be able to go to games in the Dome and feel like we have a good chance of walking away with a win. Another championship would be great, but to me it isn't as important as being able to be competitive week in and week out. The fun of being a loyal fan is more important than winning it all. Going through dismal seasons again with the feint hope of someday becoming dominant would be at the very least a huge letdown.

The simple fact is that you nor any of your flunkies can have any impact on this season whatsoever. The perpetual complaining has ruined the site. Any time anyone tries to simply talk about the team either you or one of the flunkies have to hijack the thread to start up yet another ***** session. I agree with the others that this has gotten beyond tolerable. Why don't y'all go find somewhere else, anywhere else, to gripe non-stop?

Too much gambling can also put you in a bad spot for years to come.

For over 40 years I kept saying that I wanted the Saints to win it all one time before I died. They finally did in 2010. And a few years later our name finally came up for season tickets after a 15 year wait. At this point in my life I just want to be able to go to games in the Dome and feel like we have a good chance of walking away with a win. Another championship would be great, but to me it isn't as important as being able to be competitive week in and week out. The fun of being a loyal fan is more important than winning it all. Going through dismal seasons again with the feint hope of someday becoming dominant would be at the very least a huge letdown.

The simple fact is that you nor any of your flunkies can have any impact on this season whatsoever. The perpetual complaining has ruined the site. Any time anyone tries to simply talk about the team either you or one of the flunkies have to hijack the thread to start up yet another ***** session. I agree with the others that this has gotten beyond tolerable. Why don't y'all go find somewhere else, anywhere else, to gripe non-stop?

To the vast majority of fans, winning championships is much more important than being .500. Especially when the team has already won a championship and gone deep into the playoffs, settling for merely .500 is regression. I can't help it that you may die soon and that the possibility of the team taking a high risk high reward bet is frightening to you. But all the younger fans should not have to give up the chance at the team winning a ring because of your fragile constitution.

Fans like me love our team so we want succeed. You are afraid of our team, so you are against taking a chance where they could embarrass you for a year. Sorry if I want the Saints to conquer the world, not just tread water. Your dream for the Saints is basically the Falcons the last 20 years. Competitive without rings, with a limited QB.

And you have every right to feel the way you do. But you, and your flunkies, don't have to come in here and destroy every thread with your same monotonous rhetoric. It accomplishes NOTHING beyond forcing all of the other members to wade through your waist deep crap just searching for season relevant content.

Make a thread titled "We hate Loomis, Allen, Carr, and anything else current Saints" and post all of your constant vitriol there so we can simply avoid it. Post away to your hearts content. Believe me, it will be better than being loathed by all the other forum members.