Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 997250)

ironic.... defending the indefensible. :beatnik:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 997255)

Hey, I understand being upset with the team. I was bit****** with the rest of them last year when it was all I could to stomach watching a team in disarray lead by a substitute teacher. So, I get it. Really. I do.

But this is a new season, and most fans use this time of year to reignite the flames of fandom. We have the promise of a fresh start. That alone is pretty exciting. Throw in a new OC that brings winning principles and the enthusiasm is brimming over at my house.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 997256)

Seriously? Don't you have any hope for the team? If not, why are you even here? Don't tell me that it's to interact with other fans for a meaningful discussion. I have seen Sinner be happy when the team played well and I'm hoping for more posts from him like in the old days. On the other hand, mapcow really doesn't seem to have anything positive to say about anything or anyone. Well, maybe his cow.....

Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 997252)

I positively think the Saints will NOT have a winning season with the current status quo. Too easy for the Saints organization to make bank while fielding a mediocre team. Mony talks, not championships, with this current bunch. Just a couple more months to confirm. pins and needles.

:beatnik:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 997264)

I would say almost nothing the Saints did this offseason identifies as "status quo".

Yes, Dennis Allen is still the HC but the moves made would indicate a man and franchise focused on becoming a playoff team again.

With a little luck on the health and turnover fronts, we could exceed expectations. :bng:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997268)

None of that matters at all to the haters. We can win 13 games while winning the division and losing in the Super Bowl and they'll still be demanding Loomis and Allen get fired. Hell, they'd probably want them gone even if we did win it all because of how deeply their hatred runs.

Seriously, we could clean house from top to bottom getting high first round picks for the next three years and still never see the promised land for two or more decades. It's simply hard to win in the NFL unless everything falls your way. The worst coach in the league can win the Championship if luck is on the team's side, while the best in the league may never win one in their career.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997241)

It’s not my job to fill in the blanks. If I ran my personal/professional business the way Gayle runs this one, my customers would come after me with pitchforks. My business runs smoothly and satisfactory enough (even on my shoestring budget), that I get to curl up on the couch on Sunday (and some embarrassing Thursday Nights) to hopefully watch some championship-level Football, played by multi millionaires, run by billionaires who don’t seem to give s rat’s a$$ about what I (or you) enjoy. So I drop in to vent to other fans about what I am (or am not) witnessing with a team that I have followed and rooted for for decades.

It’s too bad that that’s not what you want to hear from me.
You either get to hear me vent, or scroll on, or set me to IGNORE (almost like Quido LOL) until our team is owned by someone who cares about putting a winning professional football team on the field.

I wish we didn’t have to even have this conversation… but here we are… again.

Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 997252)

I positively think the Saints will NOT have a winning season with the current status quo. Too easy for the Saints organization to make bank while fielding a mediocre team. Mony talks, not championships, with this current bunch. Just a couple more months to confirm. pins and needles.

:beatnik:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997281)

The Saints had a winning season last year. So, what makes you think this current bunch can't do it again?

You guys are so blind with hate for the current regime you are not even making sense anymore.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997280)

Typical for you: "I don't know how to fix it, but I'm just going to complain until it's fixed."

Since I don't read posts by the sinner guy I'm responding to your quoting reply, SFIAH.

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You know damn well that if a customer of your business was as unhappy with you as you are with the Saints, they would simply go find another business to fill their needs.

Why don't you go do that? Go be a Chiefs fan. They have the organization you want and the championships you want. Then everyone can all be happy.

And I'm not going to ignore you. You are a pest. I'm just as committed to getting you to understand that we realize that the current iteration of the Saints are a work in progress and that nothing is going to significantly change in the next 6 months of the regular season. So, complaining about the composition of the organization, especially without any plan for correcting it (which you dodged exactly as I predicted), is a complete and utter waste of time.

You've been complaining for 2 years. Nothing about the Saints has changed in two years. So, all your complaining does is give everyone here a headache when all we want to talk about is Saints Football in whatever iteration we are operating in.

I've been going to Saints games and have been a Saints fan since 1972. I saw Archie. I was at the grand opening of the SuperDome. I've suffered the paper bag days, and the 1-15 season when the only team the Saints beat was the New York Jets one snowy Sunday in New York. I was there when the Saints won their first playoff game when Hakim dropped the ball. And followed the team after Katrina devastated the 2005 season. I sat my butt in Chicago in 2006 for the Saints first NFC championship game. And I sure celebrated when they finally won it all in 2009. And every season since up to and including last seasons 9-8 campaign.

This period is just a blip in my Saints history. And when folks keep saying that this iteration of the Saints is the worst they've ever seen, that just means they have not been around long enough to really understand what that means.

So, like Guido, and Rugs, and the others, I look at this season with an eye on improvement. This iteration of the Saints are not going 16-1, #1, NFC championship game and Super Bowl win. But if they can continue to make progress, that makes the season worth watching.

Still waiting for your list of replacements. Since you figure you can complain your way to a championship team, you can also advise Mrs. Benson on exactly how to do that too.

SFIAH