Reasons To Be Positive

Sinner · 07-16-2024, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!”

I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP.

Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing.

You miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP.
I miss the days of Sean Payton and Drew Brees.

Those guys were exciting to watch, and could keep me on the edge of my seat, chuggin aspirin and smoking like a fiend every game. It was a wild roller coaster ride, that even on games we lost, were exciting and intense.

So you miss quality discussions about Saints Football.
I miss quality Football from the Saints.

It’s ok. Life goes on…

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-16-2024, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

You miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP.
I miss the days of Sean Payton and Drew Brees.

Those guys were exciting to watch, and could keep me on the edge of my seat, chuggin aspirin and smoking like a fiend every game. It was a wild roller coaster ride, that even on games we lost, were exciting and intense.

So you miss quality discussions about Saints Football.
I miss quality Football from the Saints.

It’s ok. Life goes on…

Sure life goes on with you taking out your frustrations on this entire forum.

That team no longer exists. Go find your fix elsewhere.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-16-2024, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!”

I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP.

Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing.

I apologize to you and everyone else (except for Sinner of course) for having to take the posturing stand here. I don't want to do this. But I just cannot stand to have this go on for another season. I agree with you that this incessant trash talking of the current team in any thread that attempts to talk about the current team barely makes it worth coming here.

I'm trying to put a stop to it. I figure that either I will be banned, or Sinner will. In either case there will be a merciful end to this.

I was here with those guys. I miss them now that they are gone. There are still people here worth talking Saints football with. I want to get back to that this season without flyby trash dumps in every thread. I've put up with this for 2 complete seasons hoping that it would stop. But when the Saints decided to retain Allen for a 3rd year, I knew that the trash machine would crank up as the season drew closer. This is the thread that broke the camel's back for me. It's literally titled "Reasons to be Positive" and it immediately got dumped on.

It is impossible to have any discussion about the 2024 Saints here anymore. So, I'm going to challenge every post until it stops.

I repeat that it's fine to put me on ignore.

I apologize again for this. I wish it did not need to be done. But someone has to finally take out the trash.

SFIAH

mapcow · 07-16-2024, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!”

I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP.

Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing.

I miss the days when the Saint was a team, other organizations feared to face. Now this Saints team is a minor blip on the opponent's schedule.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-16-2024, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

I miss the days when the Saint was a team, other organizations feared to face. Now this Saints team is a minor blip on the opponent's schedule.

Yet another definition of the problem. How do you fix it. It just cannot be "Well the Saints need to become a team to be feared again." It's not magic.

I don't think you guys get the fact that Drew Brees is literally one of the best and most accurate QBs is the 100+ year history of the NFL. It's like you think you can just go into the HOF QB orchard and just pick another one. While clearly they do come along every once in a while, both knowing they will grow into that, and having the opportunity to get that pick are slim to none.

Knowing what we know now, the Saints should have done everything in their power to pick Mahommes in 2017. I still don't know how KC knew to do it. I believe they jumped up 16 spots IIRC.

But it's 2024. What is done is done. Stop reminiscing about an age gone by and work towards a future that is better than now.

How can this team get better? If firing Allen is the only solution, then who do you replace him with. If Carr cannot work, then who will.

STOP COMPLAINING AND FIX IT!

SFIAH

rezburna · 07-16-2024, 12:24 PM

I think Derek Carr processes slow. For me, it’s easy to read his eyes. Concerns surrounding him are legit, yet overblown at the same time. He’s no worse than average. Our major concern is offensive line. That’s it. That’s the cause for caution.

Sinner · 07-16-2024, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I think Derek Carr processes slow. For me, it’s easy to read his eyes. Concerns surrounding him are legit, yet overblown at the same time. He’s no worse than average. Our major concern is offensive line. That’s it. That’s the cause for caution.

$150 mil… I still can’t process that. I would have liked to see Jameis with an offensive line.

AsylumGuido · 07-16-2024, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I think Derek Carr processes slow. For me, it’s easy to read his eyes. Concerns surrounding him are legit, yet overblown at the same time. He’s no worse than average. Our major concern is offensive line. That’s it. That’s the cause for caution.

Yup. Average places him above half the starting QB's in the league. The chances are very slim to find anyone better. Six QB's were drafted in the first round of this year's draft. history tells us that four of those will probably never be a regular starter in the league. One may become another Carr or Kirk Cousins type. One might turn out to be a top 10 type QB in the league. The question is which one would that be?

As for our offensive line, from everything I've read the offensive philosophy being introduced by Kubiak is supposed to be far more o-line friendly. I'm hoping that is true.

Sinner · 07-16-2024, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yup. Average places him above half the starting QB's in the league. The chances are very slim to find anyone better. Six QB's were drafted in the first round of this year's draft. history tells us that four of those will probably never be a regular starter in the league. One may become another Carr or Kirk Cousins type. One might turn out to be a top 10 type QB in the league. The question is which one would that be?

As for our offensive line, from everything I've read the offensive philosophy being introduced by Kubiak is supposed to be far more o-line friendly. I'm hoping that is true.

With the contract that our (dis) organization gave Carr, chances of finding anyone better are not slim… they are none.

rezburna · 07-16-2024, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

With the contract that our (dis) organization gave Carr, chances of finding anyone better are not slim… they are none.

Haener or Rattler could very well be better in the near future.

07-16-2024, 09:03 AM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by jnormand This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!” I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP. Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing. You miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP. I miss the days of Sean Payton and Drew Brees. Those guys were exciting to watch, and could keep me on the edge of my seat, chuggin aspirin and smoking like a fiend every game. It was a wild roller coaster ride, that even on games we lost, were exciting and intense. So you miss quality discussions about Saints Football. I miss quality Football from the Saints. It’s ok. Life goes on…
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07-16-2024, 10:59 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by Sinner You miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP. I miss the days of Sean Payton and Drew Brees. Those guys were exciting to watch, and could keep me on the edge of my seat, chuggin aspirin and smoking like a fiend every game. It was a wild roller coaster ride, that even on games we lost, were exciting and intense. So you miss quality discussions about Saints Football. I miss quality Football from the Saints. It’s ok. Life goes on… Sure life goes on with you taking out your frustrations on this entire forum. That team no longer exists. Go find your fix elsewhere. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.

07-16-2024, 10:31 AM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by jnormand This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!” I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP. Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing. I apologize to you and everyone else (except for Sinner of course) for having to take the posturing stand here. I don't want to do this. But I just cannot stand to have this go on for another season. I agree with you that this incessant trash talking of the current team in any thread that attempts to talk about the current team barely makes it worth coming here. I'm trying to put a stop to it. I figure that either I will be banned, or Sinner will. In either case there will be a merciful end to this. I was here with those guys. I miss them now that they are gone. There are still people here worth talking Saints football with. I want to get back to that this season without flyby trash dumps in every thread. I've put up with this for 2 complete seasons hoping that it would stop. But when the Saints decided to retain Allen for a 3rd year, I knew that the trash machine would crank up as the season drew closer. This is the thread that broke the camel's back for me. It's literally titled "Reasons to be Positive" and it immediately got dumped on. It is impossible to have any discussion about the 2024 Saints here anymore. So, I'm going to challenge every post until it stops. I repeat that it's fine to put me on ignore. I apologize again for this. I wish it did not need to be done. But someone has to finally take out the trash. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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07-16-2024, 10:32 AM	#4
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,818	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by jnormand This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!” I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP. Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing. I miss the days when the Saint was a team, other organizations feared to face. Now this Saints team is a minor blip on the opponent's schedule.
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07-16-2024, 10:51 AM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by mapcow I miss the days when the Saint was a team, other organizations feared to face. Now this Saints team is a minor blip on the opponent's schedule. Yet another definition of the problem. How do you fix it. It just cannot be "Well the Saints need to become a team to be feared again." It's not magic. I don't think you guys get the fact that Drew Brees is literally one of the best and most accurate QBs is the 100+ year history of the NFL. It's like you think you can just go into the HOF QB orchard and just pick another one. While clearly they do come along every once in a while, both knowing they will grow into that, and having the opportunity to get that pick are slim to none. Knowing what we know now, the Saints should have done everything in their power to pick Mahommes in 2017. I still don't know how KC knew to do it. I believe they jumped up 16 spots IIRC. But it's 2024. What is done is done. Stop reminiscing about an age gone by and work towards a future that is better than now. How can this team get better? If firing Allen is the only solution, then who do you replace him with. If Carr cannot work, then who will. STOP COMPLAINING AND FIX IT! SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
	Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

07-16-2024, 12:24 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,009	Re: Reasons To Be Positive I think Derek Carr processes slow. For me, it’s easy to read his eyes. Concerns surrounding him are legit, yet overblown at the same time. He’s no worse than average. Our major concern is offensive line. That’s it. That’s the cause for caution. AsylumGuido, jlouhill, Sinner and 1 others like this.

07-16-2024, 12:32 PM	#7
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by rezburna I think Derek Carr processes slow. For me, it’s easy to read his eyes. Concerns surrounding him are legit, yet overblown at the same time. He’s no worse than average. Our major concern is offensive line. That’s it. That’s the cause for caution. $150 mil… I still can’t process that. I would have liked to see Jameis with an offensive line.
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07-16-2024, 01:01 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,543	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by rezburna I think Derek Carr processes slow. For me, it’s easy to read his eyes. Concerns surrounding him are legit, yet overblown at the same time. He’s no worse than average. Our major concern is offensive line. That’s it. That’s the cause for caution. Yup. Average places him above half the starting QB's in the league. The chances are very slim to find anyone better. Six QB's were drafted in the first round of this year's draft. history tells us that four of those will probably never be a regular starter in the league. One may become another Carr or Kirk Cousins type. One might turn out to be a top 10 type QB in the league. The question is which one would that be? As for our offensive line, from everything I've read the offensive philosophy being introduced by Kubiak is supposed to be far more o-line friendly. I'm hoping that is true.
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07-16-2024, 01:04 PM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yup. Average places him above half the starting QB's in the league. The chances are very slim to find anyone better. Six QB's were drafted in the first round of this year's draft. history tells us that four of those will probably never be a regular starter in the league. One may become another Carr or Kirk Cousins type. One might turn out to be a top 10 type QB in the league. The question is which one would that be? As for our offensive line, from everything I've read the offensive philosophy being introduced by Kubiak is supposed to be far more o-line friendly. I'm hoping that is true. With the contract that our (dis) organization gave Carr, chances of finding anyone better are not slim… they are none.
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07-16-2024, 01:05 PM	#10
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,009	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by Sinner With the contract that our (dis) organization gave Carr, chances of finding anyone better are not slim… they are none. Haener or Rattler could very well be better in the near future.