The 2024 Sunshine Oasis: Positive Saints Talk Only

mapcow · 08-01-2024, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by papz

He been playing at a high level and is still one of the top safeties in the league.

Zero objectivity. I swear it seems some of you are batting for the other team.

...actually we are batting for the Saints.... the Saints Team NEED younger, stronger, faster, non thugish (preferably without assault and battery charges) players,,,

rezburna · 08-01-2024, 11:23 AM

Honey Badger is definitely elite at his position. Not sure where the hate is coming from. One of the highest graded safeties in the league and I don’t think we’re really using him to his greatest strengths. I’d be bringing him off the edge from time to time. It is getting kind of old seeing every single player get **** on even when they’re high performers.

mapcow · 08-01-2024, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Honey Badger is definitely elite at his position. Not sure where the hate is coming from. One of the highest graded safeties in the league and I don’t think we’re really using him to his greatest strengths. I’d be bringing him off the edge from time to time. It is getting kind of old seeing every single player get **** on even when they’re high performers.

No hate... just reality and factually correct. The Badger had his time... it is now time for him to bow out, is all. Sorry. again, no hate.

rezburna · 08-01-2024, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

No hate... just reality and factually correct. The Badger had his time... it is now time for him to bow out, is all. Sorry. again, no hate.

It can’t be factually correct when he’s posting elite PFF grades in back to back years. He had 75 tackles and 4 picks last year. 91 tackles and 3 picks the year before. Now if you’re saying you think he’s about to fall of because he’s 32 then that’s cool, but that’s a prediction, not a fact. The fact is he hasn’t fallen off and he’s posting his best career numbers since 2015 in New Orleans. Also, elite safeties can tend to last a little longer than other positions. Darren Sharper joined us at 34 and practically led that defense to a Super Bowl with 71 tackles, 9 picks, and 3 TDs. You don’t have to be 25 at every position to be a good team or be set for the future.

mapcow · 08-01-2024, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

It can’t be factually correct when he’s posting elite PFF grades in back to back years. He had 75 tackles and 4 picks last year. 91 tackles and 3 picks the year before. Now if you’re saying you think he’s about to fall of because he’s 32 then that’s cool, but that’s a prediction, not a fact. The fact is he hasn’t fallen off and he’s posting his best career numbers since 2015 in New Orleans. Also, elite safeties can tend to last a little longer than other positions. Darren Sharper joined us at 34 and practically led that defense to a Super Bowl with 71 tackles, 9 picks, and 3 TDs. You don’t have to be 25 at every position to be a good team or be set for the future.

we will see, won't we? Last season Mathieu was too scared or timid to stick it to a receiver...too Old?? but i really hate being right when it comes to the detriment of the Saints football team. Maybe it is time for him to hang the cleats and begin reminiscing on his glory days...hell become a coach, or analyst... time to let the young stud shine, don't you think? obviously this coming from an older and wiser man

AsylumGuido · 08-01-2024, 12:43 PM

Back to the original spirit of the thread ...

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Sinner · 08-01-2024, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Honey Badger is definitely elite at his position. Not sure where the hate is coming from. One of the highest graded safeties in the league and I don’t think we’re really using him to his greatest strengths. I’d be bringing him off the edge from time to time. It is getting kind of old seeing every single player get **** on even when they’re high performers.

Us not using him to his great strengths, or many of the extremely talented players at our disposal not being properly utilized, is a glaring example of our top-down mismanagement. Extremely frustrating.

BakoSaint · 08-01-2024, 02:16 PM

Mathieu is a good player on a reasonable contract. The sort of contract Kamara was probably offered and rejected and that would be a lot more reasonable for Lattimore than his current deal. Mathieu also seems to be a good leader. Mathieu and Davis are both on reasonable contracts and coming off very good years so if they continue to produce at the same level then great, but if father time takes its toll we are ok too.

As for Mathieu being in his best shape ever, as athletes go from their 20's to their 30's, it is often the case that strength/power/mental game increase and speed/quickness/durability decrease. Thats just biology. An athlete is likely to emphasize the positive, focus on some amount they benched, and say 'I am in the best shape ever' but realistically in other respects I doubt they run as fast or that their back aches less. So to me I know that everything cannot be better as an athlete reaches their 30's, but if some of the things that should be better are, then great, thats something. But I am not too focuses on it either way.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-01-2024, 03:30 PM

A gentle suggestion for all involved.

Please take the back and forth debates elsewhere please. I'm not saying that the debate isn't worthy of discussion. It's just that the back and forth drags down the supposed vibe of this thread because a single post generates a dozen back and forth replies.

My suggestion (not that anyone has to take it):

1. Quote the post here to debate.
2. Start a new thread using that quote and your response.
3. Get the link of the new thread and post it as a reply to the original post here.

That way anyone who wants to join that debate can go to the new thread and have at it.

I did the HB one as a sample and transferred all the comments here to it.

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1039...t-too-old.html (Honey Badger: Elite ot too old?)

Thanks for your consideration.

SFIAH

mapcow · 08-01-2024, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

A gentle suggestion for all involved.

Please take the back and forth debates elsewhere please. I'm not saying that the debate isn't worthy of discussion. It's just that the back and forth drags down the supposed vibe of this thread because a single post generates a dozen back and forth replies.

My suggestion (not that anyone has to take it):

1. Quote the post here to debate.
2. Start a new thread using that quote and your response.
3. Get the link of the new thread and post it as a reply to the original post here.

That way anyone who wants to join that debate can go to the new thread and have at it.

I did the HB one as a sample and transferred all the comments here to it.

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1039...t-too-old.html (Honey Badger: Elite ot too old?)

Thanks for your consideration.

SFIAH

08-01-2024, 09:31 AM	#1
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: The 2024 Sunshine Oasis: Positive Saints Talk Only Originally Posted by papz He been playing at a high level and is still one of the top safeties in the league. Zero objectivity. I swear it seems some of you are batting for the other team. ...actually we are batting for the Saints.... the Saints Team NEED younger, stronger, faster, non thugish (preferably without assault and battery charges) players,,, Sinner likes this.
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08-01-2024, 11:23 AM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,096	Re: The 2024 Sunshine Oasis: Positive Saints Talk Only Honey Badger is definitely elite at his position. Not sure where the hate is coming from. One of the highest graded safeties in the league and I don’t think we’re really using him to his greatest strengths. I’d be bringing him off the edge from time to time. It is getting kind of old seeing every single player get **** on even when they’re high performers. Crusader, saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

08-01-2024, 11:37 AM	#3
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: The 2024 Sunshine Oasis: Positive Saints Talk Only Originally Posted by rezburna Honey Badger is definitely elite at his position. Not sure where the hate is coming from. One of the highest graded safeties in the league and I don’t think we’re really using him to his greatest strengths. I’d be bringing him off the edge from time to time. It is getting kind of old seeing every single player get **** on even when they’re high performers. No hate... just reality and factually correct. The Badger had his time... it is now time for him to bow out, is all. Sorry. again, no hate.
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08-01-2024, 11:58 AM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,096	Re: The 2024 Sunshine Oasis: Positive Saints Talk Only Originally Posted by mapcow No hate... just reality and factually correct. The Badger had his time... it is now time for him to bow out, is all. Sorry. again, no hate. It can’t be factually correct when he’s posting elite PFF grades in back to back years. He had 75 tackles and 4 picks last year. 91 tackles and 3 picks the year before. Now if you’re saying you think he’s about to fall of because he’s 32 then that’s cool, but that’s a prediction, not a fact. The fact is he hasn’t fallen off and he’s posting his best career numbers since 2015 in New Orleans. Also, elite safeties can tend to last a little longer than other positions. Darren Sharper joined us at 34 and practically led that defense to a Super Bowl with 71 tackles, 9 picks, and 3 TDs. You don’t have to be 25 at every position to be a good team or be set for the future. Crusader, AsylumGuido and WW_Who_Dat like this.
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08-01-2024, 12:32 PM	#5
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: The 2024 Sunshine Oasis: Positive Saints Talk Only Originally Posted by rezburna It can’t be factually correct when he’s posting elite PFF grades in back to back years. He had 75 tackles and 4 picks last year. 91 tackles and 3 picks the year before. Now if you’re saying you think he’s about to fall of because he’s 32 then that’s cool, but that’s a prediction, not a fact. The fact is he hasn’t fallen off and he’s posting his best career numbers since 2015 in New Orleans. Also, elite safeties can tend to last a little longer than other positions. Darren Sharper joined us at 34 and practically led that defense to a Super Bowl with 71 tackles, 9 picks, and 3 TDs. You don’t have to be 25 at every position to be a good team or be set for the future. we will see, won't we? Last season Mathieu was too scared or timid to stick it to a receiver...too Old?? but i really hate being right when it comes to the detriment of the Saints football team. Maybe it is time for him to hang the cleats and begin reminiscing on his glory days...hell become a coach, or analyst... time to let the young stud shine, don't you think? obviously this coming from an older and wiser man
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08-01-2024, 12:43 PM	#6
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08-01-2024, 12:18 PM	#7
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: The 2024 Sunshine Oasis: Positive Saints Talk Only Originally Posted by rezburna Honey Badger is definitely elite at his position. Not sure where the hate is coming from. One of the highest graded safeties in the league and I don’t think we’re really using him to his greatest strengths. I’d be bringing him off the edge from time to time. It is getting kind of old seeing every single player get **** on even when they’re high performers. Us not using him to his great strengths, or many of the extremely talented players at our disposal not being properly utilized, is a glaring example of our top-down mismanagement. Extremely frustrating.
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08-01-2024, 02:16 PM	#8
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,391	Re: The 2024 Sunshine Oasis: Positive Saints Talk Only Mathieu is a good player on a reasonable contract. The sort of contract Kamara was probably offered and rejected and that would be a lot more reasonable for Lattimore than his current deal. Mathieu also seems to be a good leader. Mathieu and Davis are both on reasonable contracts and coming off very good years so if they continue to produce at the same level then great, but if father time takes its toll we are ok too. As for Mathieu being in his best shape ever, as athletes go from their 20's to their 30's, it is often the case that strength/power/mental game increase and speed/quickness/durability decrease. Thats just biology. An athlete is likely to emphasize the positive, focus on some amount they benched, and say 'I am in the best shape ever' but realistically in other respects I doubt they run as fast or that their back aches less. So to me I know that everything cannot be better as an athlete reaches their 30's, but if some of the things that should be better are, then great, thats something. But I am not too focuses on it either way.
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08-01-2024, 03:30 PM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: The 2024 Sunshine Oasis: Positive Saints Talk Only A gentle suggestion for all involved. Please take the back and forth debates elsewhere please. I'm not saying that the debate isn't worthy of discussion. It's just that the back and forth drags down the supposed vibe of this thread because a single post generates a dozen back and forth replies. My suggestion (not that anyone has to take it): 1. Quote the post here to debate. 2. Start a new thread using that quote and your response. 3. Get the link of the new thread and post it as a reply to the original post here. That way anyone who wants to join that debate can go to the new thread and have at it. I did the HB one as a sample and transferred all the comments here to it. https://blackandgold.com/saints/1039...t-too-old.html (Honey Badger: Elite ot too old?) Thanks for your consideration. SFIAH Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-01-2024, 04:09 PM	#10
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: The 2024 Sunshine Oasis: Positive Saints Talk Only Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL A gentle suggestion for all involved. Please take the back and forth debates elsewhere please. I'm not saying that the debate isn't worthy of discussion. It's just that the back and forth drags down the supposed vibe of this thread because a single post generates a dozen back and forth replies. My suggestion (not that anyone has to take it): 1. Quote the post here to debate. 2. Start a new thread using that quote and your response. 3. Get the link of the new thread and post it as a reply to the original post here. That way anyone who wants to join that debate can go to the new thread and have at it. I did the HB one as a sample and transferred all the comments here to it. https://blackandgold.com/saints/1039...t-too-old.html (Honey Badger: Elite ot too old?) Thanks for your consideration. SFIAH
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