OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS CARDINALS PRESEASON GAME

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Saints defeat the Cardinals 16-14 in State Farm Stadium, Glendale, Arizona. Please discuss your thoughts on this thread. Rookie quarterback Spencer Rattler led the Saints on a successful two-minute drill to beat the Arizona Cardinals 16-14 on Saturday in Glendale.

Arizona took a 14-13 lead with 1:55 to play.

Rattler, a Phoenix native, then led the Saints on a 56-yard drive that finished with a 37-yard field goal from Charlie Smyth.

DISCUSS...

Sinner · 08-10-2024, 10:08 PM

I STAND CORRECTED! (But I DID get your attention, no?)

Still, please do discuss…

rezburna · 08-10-2024, 10:14 PM

1. Pass rush looks great. That was the missing piece to add to an already, elite secondary. That type of defense can win us a lot of games.

2. Derek Carr processes to slow for me. I said it last year and it seems like the new coordinator won’t be remedying that. Almost threw a pick when Olave was clearly open. Almost threw two picks actually. I’m done with Carr.

3. Spencer Rattler is clearly the future of this franchise. The ball jumps out of his hands with velocity. He scrambles effectively and efficiently as well. Can we trade Carr for an offensive lineman? Rattler needs to start.

4. I like James Robinson. I also like big bro Nacua. Holker looked great as well. Kool Aid? A dog.

Sinner · 08-10-2024, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

1. Pass rush looks great. That was the missing piece to add to an already, elite secondary. That type of defense can win us a lot of games.

2. Derek Carr processes to slow for me. I said it last year and it seems like the new coordinator won’t be remedying that. Almost threw a pick when Olave was clearly open. Almost threw two picks actually. I’m done with Carr.

3. Spencer Rattler is clearly the future of this franchise. The ball jumps out of his hands with velocity. He scrambles effectively and efficiently as well. Can we trade Carr for an offensive lineman? Rattler needs to start.

4. I like James Robinson. I also like big bro Nacua. Holker looked great as well. Kool Aid? A dog.

ALL FOUR POINTS… TOTALLY ON POINT.

K Major · 08-10-2024, 10:23 PM

The bad …

Carr still has no control of this offense.
Trevor Penning has slow feet & still lost. LT, RT, he’s not good at either spot.
Isaiah Foskey is super stiff. Has no moves & seems to fade at the point of attack.

The good

Kool aid is a good looking rookie DB
Chase Young is impressive off the edge
Bresee is disruptive
Collectively, the defense played well
It’s early but Rattler looks the part

BakoSaint · 08-10-2024, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

1. Pass rush looks great. That was the missing piece to add to an already, elite secondary. That type of defense can win us a lot of games.

2. Derek Carr processes to slow for me. I said it last year and it seems like the new coordinator won’t be remedying that. Almost threw a pick when Olave was clearly open. Almost threw two picks actually. I’m done with Carr.

3. Spencer Rattler is clearly the future of this franchise. The ball jumps out of his hands with velocity. He scrambles effectively and efficiently as well. Can we trade Carr for an offensive lineman? Rattler needs to start.

4. I like James Robinson. I also like big bro Nacua. Holker looked great as well. Kool Aid? A dog.

Maybe if Carr has trouble processing, the latest cutting edge offense designed to confused defenses will confuse him too. Maybe Pete Carmichael had to dumb down the offense for Carr too.

If the Saints traded Carr and he waived whatever no trade clause he has, the trade partner would only pay $1.2mil this year, as the rest of his base salary has already been converted to a bonus check the Saints already paid. However, Carr is due $10 million guaranteed roster bonus and $30 million non guaranteed base salary next year. If the Saints cut bait on Carr, the trade partner would be stuck paying him $10 million to not play or $40 million to play next year. But if Carr got hurt playing for this other team, and was injured on 3/17/25, his $30 million salary would also guarantee. So, I dont think a team would risk trading for Carr. Its the same reason the Raiders cut Carr and the Broncos cut Wilson. If you want to move on from a player, their value is down, and nobody wants to risk triggering guarantees on a bloated contract if they are hurt.

The best move with Carr if and when the Saints decide he is not the answer is to sit him on the bench for the rest of the season and designate him a post-june-1 cut before the $30 million guarantee triggers.

If Kool Aid and Holker look good, it could make sense to consider moving on from Lattimore and Johnson. They might never be healthy anyway.

Sinner · 08-10-2024, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Maybe if Carr has trouble processing, the latest cutting edge offense designed to confused defenses will confuse him too. Maybe Pete Carmichael had to dumb down the offense for Carr too.

If the Saints traded Carr and he waived whatever no trade clause he has, the trade partner would only pay $1.2mil this year, as the rest of his base salary has already been converted to a bonus check the Saints already paid. However, Carr is due $10 million guaranteed roster bonus and $30 million non guaranteed base salary next year. If the Saints cut bait on Carr, the trade partner would be stuck paying him $10 million to not play or $40 million to play next year. But if Carr got hurt playing for this other team, and was injured on 3/17/25, his $30 million salary would also guarantee. So, I dont think a team would risk trading for Carr. Its the same reason the Raiders cut Carr and the Broncos cut Wilson. If you want to move on from a player, their value is down, and nobody wants to risk triggering guarantees on a bloated contract if they are hurt.

The best move with Carr if and when the Saints decide he is not the answer is to sit him on the bench for the rest of the season and designate him a post-june-1 cut before the $30 million guarantee triggers.

If Kool Aid and Holker look good, it could make sense to consider moving on from Lattimore and Johnson. They might never be healthy anyway.

“Maybe if Carr has trouble processing, the latest cutting edge offense designed to confused defenses will confuse him too. Maybe Pete Carmichael had to dumb down the offense for Carr too.”

BINGO ^^^

turbo_dog · 08-10-2024, 11:12 PM

I can't believe the first preseason game of 2024 is in the books. While always excited for the start of a Saints season, I hate thinking summer is almost over. That being said, I enjoyed seeing the team on the field, checking out the rookies, and having a cold one.

Who played well
1. Willie Gay (quick to the ball, you guys told me he's a dog )
2. Brian Bresee (wow!, hope he stays healthy)
3. Kool Aide (covers like a blanket, our secondary is stacked, bring Simmons)
4. Tony Jones, Jr. (crap, wrong team, James Robinson)
5. A.T. Perry (despite the stories from camp)

Who didn't
1. Isaiah Foskey (seems confused, slow to the ball)
2. Penning (saw a couple nice run blocks, but going to get a QB killed)
3. Dennis Allen (clock management at the end was F'd up)
4. The TV coverage (man they were all over the place warped)
5. Second half Run Defense

Rell&Gold · 08-11-2024, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Maybe if Carr has trouble processing, the latest cutting edge offense designed to confused defenses will confuse him too. Maybe Pete Carmichael had to dumb down the offense for Carr too.

If the Saints traded Carr and he waived whatever no trade clause he has, the trade partner would only pay $1.2mil this year, as the rest of his base salary has already been converted to a bonus check the Saints already paid. However, Carr is due $10 million guaranteed roster bonus and $30 million non guaranteed base salary next year. If the Saints cut bait on Carr, the trade partner would be stuck paying him $10 million to not play or $40 million to play next year. But if Carr got hurt playing for this other team, and was injured on 3/17/25, his $30 million salary would also guarantee. So, I dont think a team would risk trading for Carr. Its the same reason the Raiders cut Carr and the Broncos cut Wilson. If you want to move on from a player, their value is down, and nobody wants to risk triggering guarantees on a bloated contract if they are hurt.

The best move with Carr if and when the Saints decide he is not the answer is to sit him on the bench for the rest of the season and designate him a post-june-1 cut before the $30 million guarantee triggers.

If Kool Aid and Holker look good, it could make sense to consider moving on from Lattimore and Johnson. They might never be healthy anyway.

Kool-Aid didn't look that good to say let's trade our best CB, I wouldn't want him starting at nickel just yet. He was beat b2b on crossing routes when Clayton was at QB not super alarming but the lack of adjustment makes me want to see more the good was very good though I do agree. Sidebar Clayton Tune looked sharp. Didn't cath the firt team O but I heard they didn't look week 1 ready and didn't even go up against Arizona #1 defense

Rell&Gold · 08-11-2024, 01:59 AM

36,30,6,34,99,28,58,59,17,Kolker all looked good

55,27,74,Penning looked rough. Foskey can go I just don't see it Saints can't draft a decent linemen to dave their life.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,793	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO THE CARDINALS… 1. Pass rush looks great. That was the missing piece to add to an already, elite secondary. That type of defense can win us a lot of games. 2. Derek Carr processes to slow for me. I said it last year and it seems like the new coordinator won’t be remedying that. Almost threw a pick when Olave was clearly open. Almost threw two picks actually. I’m done with Carr. 3. Spencer Rattler is clearly the future of this franchise. The ball jumps out of his hands with velocity. He scrambles effectively and efficiently as well. Can we trade Carr for an offensive lineman? Rattler needs to start. 4. I like James Robinson. I also like big bro Nacua. Holker looked great as well. Kool Aid? A dog. MatthewT, Crusader, leilung and 5 others like this.
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08-10-2024, 10:16 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,342	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO THE CARDINALS… Originally Posted by rezburna 1. Pass rush looks great. That was the missing piece to add to an already, elite secondary. That type of defense can win us a lot of games. 2. Derek Carr processes to slow for me. I said it last year and it seems like the new coordinator won’t be remedying that. Almost threw a pick when Olave was clearly open. Almost threw two picks actually. I’m done with Carr. 3. Spencer Rattler is clearly the future of this franchise. The ball jumps out of his hands with velocity. He scrambles effectively and efficiently as well. Can we trade Carr for an offensive lineman? Rattler needs to start. 4. I like James Robinson. I also like big bro Nacua. Holker looked great as well. Kool Aid? A dog. ALL FOUR POINTS… TOTALLY ON POINT. SmashMouth and Rell&Gold like this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,369 Blog Entries: 3	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO THE CARDINALS… The bad … Carr still has no control of this offense. Trevor Penning has slow feet & still lost. LT, RT, he’s not good at either spot. Isaiah Foskey is super stiff. Has no moves & seems to fade at the point of attack. The good Kool aid is a good looking rookie DB Chase Young is impressive off the edge Bresee is disruptive Collectively, the defense played well It’s early but Rattler looks the part MatthewT, Crusader, leilung and 3 others like this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,961	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO THE CARDINALS… Originally Posted by rezburna 1. Pass rush looks great. That was the missing piece to add to an already, elite secondary. That type of defense can win us a lot of games. 2. Derek Carr processes to slow for me. I said it last year and it seems like the new coordinator won’t be remedying that. Almost threw a pick when Olave was clearly open. Almost threw two picks actually. I’m done with Carr. 3. Spencer Rattler is clearly the future of this franchise. The ball jumps out of his hands with velocity. He scrambles effectively and efficiently as well. Can we trade Carr for an offensive lineman? Rattler needs to start. 4. I like James Robinson. I also like big bro Nacua. Holker looked great as well. Kool Aid? A dog. Maybe if Carr has trouble processing, the latest cutting edge offense designed to confused defenses will confuse him too. Maybe Pete Carmichael had to dumb down the offense for Carr too. If the Saints traded Carr and he waived whatever no trade clause he has, the trade partner would only pay $1.2mil this year, as the rest of his base salary has already been converted to a bonus check the Saints already paid. However, Carr is due $10 million guaranteed roster bonus and $30 million non guaranteed base salary next year. If the Saints cut bait on Carr, the trade partner would be stuck paying him $10 million to not play or $40 million to play next year. But if Carr got hurt playing for this other team, and was injured on 3/17/25, his $30 million salary would also guarantee. So, I dont think a team would risk trading for Carr. Its the same reason the Raiders cut Carr and the Broncos cut Wilson. If you want to move on from a player, their value is down, and nobody wants to risk triggering guarantees on a bloated contract if they are hurt. The best move with Carr if and when the Saints decide he is not the answer is to sit him on the bench for the rest of the season and designate him a post-june-1 cut before the $30 million guarantee triggers. If Kool Aid and Holker look good, it could make sense to consider moving on from Lattimore and Johnson. They might never be healthy anyway. Sinner likes this.
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08-10-2024, 10:44 PM	#7
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,342	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO THE CARDINALS… Originally Posted by BakoSaint Maybe if Carr has trouble processing, the latest cutting edge offense designed to confused defenses will confuse him too. Maybe Pete Carmichael had to dumb down the offense for Carr too. If the Saints traded Carr and he waived whatever no trade clause he has, the trade partner would only pay $1.2mil this year, as the rest of his base salary has already been converted to a bonus check the Saints already paid. However, Carr is due $10 million guaranteed roster bonus and $30 million non guaranteed base salary next year. If the Saints cut bait on Carr, the trade partner would be stuck paying him $10 million to not play or $40 million to play next year. But if Carr got hurt playing for this other team, and was injured on 3/17/25, his $30 million salary would also guarantee. So, I dont think a team would risk trading for Carr. Its the same reason the Raiders cut Carr and the Broncos cut Wilson. If you want to move on from a player, their value is down, and nobody wants to risk triggering guarantees on a bloated contract if they are hurt. The best move with Carr if and when the Saints decide he is not the answer is to sit him on the bench for the rest of the season and designate him a post-june-1 cut before the $30 million guarantee triggers. If Kool Aid and Holker look good, it could make sense to consider moving on from Lattimore and Johnson. They might never be healthy anyway. “Maybe if Carr has trouble processing, the latest cutting edge offense designed to confused defenses will confuse him too. Maybe Pete Carmichael had to dumb down the offense for Carr too.” BINGO ^^^
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turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,566	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO THE CARDINALS… I can't believe the first preseason game of 2024 is in the books. While always excited for the start of a Saints season, I hate thinking summer is almost over. That being said, I enjoyed seeing the team on the field, checking out the rookies, and having a cold one. Who played well 1. Willie Gay (quick to the ball, you guys told me he's a dog ) 2. Brian Bresee (wow!, hope he stays healthy) 3. Kool Aide (covers like a blanket, our secondary is stacked, bring Simmons) 4. Tony Jones, Jr. (crap, wrong team, James Robinson) 5. A.T. Perry (despite the stories from camp) Who didn't 1. Isaiah Foskey (seems confused, slow to the ball) 2. Penning (saw a couple nice run blocks, but going to get a QB killed) 3. Dennis Allen (clock management at the end was F'd up) 4. The TV coverage (man they were all over the place warped) 5. Second half Run Defense

08-11-2024, 01:55 AM	#9
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,879	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO THE CARDINALS… Originally Posted by BakoSaint Maybe if Carr has trouble processing, the latest cutting edge offense designed to confused defenses will confuse him too. Maybe Pete Carmichael had to dumb down the offense for Carr too. If the Saints traded Carr and he waived whatever no trade clause he has, the trade partner would only pay $1.2mil this year, as the rest of his base salary has already been converted to a bonus check the Saints already paid. However, Carr is due $10 million guaranteed roster bonus and $30 million non guaranteed base salary next year. If the Saints cut bait on Carr, the trade partner would be stuck paying him $10 million to not play or $40 million to play next year. But if Carr got hurt playing for this other team, and was injured on 3/17/25, his $30 million salary would also guarantee. So, I dont think a team would risk trading for Carr. Its the same reason the Raiders cut Carr and the Broncos cut Wilson. If you want to move on from a player, their value is down, and nobody wants to risk triggering guarantees on a bloated contract if they are hurt. The best move with Carr if and when the Saints decide he is not the answer is to sit him on the bench for the rest of the season and designate him a post-june-1 cut before the $30 million guarantee triggers. If Kool Aid and Holker look good, it could make sense to consider moving on from Lattimore and Johnson. They might never be healthy anyway. Kool-Aid didn't look that good to say let's trade our best CB, I wouldn't want him starting at nickel just yet. He was beat b2b on crossing routes when Clayton was at QB not super alarming but the lack of adjustment makes me want to see more the good was very good though I do agree. Sidebar Clayton Tune looked sharp. Didn't cath the firt team O but I heard they didn't look week 1 ready and didn't even go up against Arizona #1 defense

08-11-2024, 01:59 AM	#10
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,879	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS CARDINALS PRESEASON GAME 36,30,6,34,99,28,58,59,17,Kolker all looked good 55,27,74,Penning looked rough. Foskey can go I just don't see it Saints can't draft a decent linemen to dave their life.