2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes?

AsylumGuido · 11-05-2024, 04:30 PM

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

-- Bill Shakespeare

BakoSaint · 11-05-2024, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's it. Our lone trade was one that has essentially been in the works since last December. No mid-season sell-off as some may have hoped. We have exactly the same roster given Lattimore's inability to get onto the field that we had a week ago. Minus a head coach, of course.

Its hard to sell off much at the trade deadline when we have already given most players their paychecks in advance through restructuring. Its not a bug deal not to trade Chase Young because we could get a comp pick anyway if he walks in free agency, and if we can get him a few sacks that pick could be better. Had we not extended Kamara we could have traded him, but whats done is done.

As for Lattimore’s trade being ‘in the works since december’ it was never real until it happened. Lots of things have been discussed and not happened. Kamara was not restructured until this extension after we restructured the rest of the entire roster, so a Kamara trade could have happened if not for the extension. Maybe we would have moved Adebo or Olave if not for the injuries.

AsylumGuido · 11-05-2024, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Its hard to sell off much at the trade deadline when we have already given most players their paychecks in advance through restructuring. Its not a bug deal not to trade Chase Young because we could get a comp pick anyway if he walks in free agency, and if we can get him a few sacks that pick could be better. Had we not extended Kamara we could have traded him, but whats done is done.

As for Lattimore’s trade being ‘in the works since december’ it was never real until it happened. Lots of things have been discussed and not happened. Kamara was not restructured until this extension after we restructured the rest of the entire roster, so a Kamara trade could have happened if not for the extension. Maybe we would have moved Adebo or Olave if not for the injuries.

I don't think you truly understand Kamara. The guy doesn't live his life off a paycheck. If he says he'd retire before playing outside of New Orleans most everyone that does understand believed he meant what he said. Everything isn't as cut and dry as you always seem to imply. Believe it or not some people have personal value that greatly outweigh monetary values. I know I have passed up on opportunity that didn't align with what I felt was best for my personal philosophies.

BakoSaint · 11-05-2024, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't think you truly understand Kamara. The guy doesn't live his life off a paycheck. If he says he'd retire before playing outside of New Orleans most everyone that does understand believed he meant what he said. Everything isn't as cut and dry as you always seem to imply. Believe it or not some people have personal value that greatly outweigh monetary values. I know I have passed up on opportunity that didn't align with what I felt was best for my personal philosophies.

We have a difference of opinion. You believe Kamara truly would not play anywhere else, even say Denver with Payton or Tennessee where he went to college. I believe his whole ‘i live nola’ thing was an act to get paid the Cam Jordan rate in his twilight years. You respect Kamara as a nostalgic heart, I respect him as a business man who negotiated a 150% premium.

AsylumGuido · 11-05-2024, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

We have a difference of opinion. You believe Kamara truly would not play anywhere else, even say Denver with Payton or Tennessee where he went to college. I believe his whole ‘i live nola’ thing was an act to get paid the Cam Jordan rate in his twilight years. You respect Kamara as a nostalgic heart, I respect him as a business man who negotiated a 150% premium.

No. I respect him as an honest person who doesn't fit the norm. You appear to be a person that sees nothing beyond the almighty dollar. Believe it or not many of us have moral compasses that guide our decisions.

Wonder why you rub me so wrong. Hmm?

BakoSaint · 11-05-2024, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. I respect him as an honest person who doesn't fit the norm. You appear to be a person that sees nothing beyond the almighty dollar. Believe it or not many of us have moral compasses that guide our decisions.

Wonder why you rub me so wrong. Hmm?

So do you believe everyone who uses a negotiating tactic is dishonest and has no moral compass? I have never said that Kamara is a bad person or dishonest. I just believe he saw Cameron Jordan get a big payday and he decided that his kids need to eat too so he followed Cam's playbook. I don't think there is anything wrong with it on his part. I think it was a mistake on Loomis to write the check.

Personally I don't understand why a veteran player who went to high school in Georgia and college in Tennessee and whose first NFL coach is now coaching Denver would want to absolutely rule out going to another team and instead prefer to stick with a 2-7 team with an interim coach and decimated roster that will run him into the ground for mostly losses and likely needs to go into a rebuild for the rest of his career under a new coaching staff, rather than considering the opportunity to play for a contender. Maybe he just loves the uniform that much. If he does, good for him. But the premium he got paid above market makes more sense as an explanation to me.

If he truly just bled black and gold and didnt care about money, why did he turn down the Saints contract extension offers until they got to $12 million a year, when Derrick Henry and Joe Mixon got $8 million a year? Actions speak louder than words and his actions were that he wanted the Saints to pay him like Barkley not like Henry or Mixon, which indicates he does care about money. And I dont believe another team would have paid him like Barkley, so shrewd negotiating tactics is the most reasonable explanation to me for the contrast of his words (I just love the Saints and want to retire here) and actions (refusing to sign under the Saints offered Barkley numbers not Henry/Mixon numbers).

11-05-2024, 04:30 PM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,095	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Twitter Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. -- Bill Shakespeare

11-05-2024, 05:44 PM	#22
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,126	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's it. Our lone trade was one that has essentially been in the works since last December. No mid-season sell-off as some may have hoped. We have exactly the same roster given Lattimore's inability to get onto the field that we had a week ago. Minus a head coach, of course. Its hard to sell off much at the trade deadline when we have already given most players their paychecks in advance through restructuring. Its not a bug deal not to trade Chase Young because we could get a comp pick anyway if he walks in free agency, and if we can get him a few sacks that pick could be better. Had we not extended Kamara we could have traded him, but whats done is done. As for Lattimore’s trade being ‘in the works since december’ it was never real until it happened. Lots of things have been discussed and not happened. Kamara was not restructured until this extension after we restructured the rest of the entire roster, so a Kamara trade could have happened if not for the extension. Maybe we would have moved Adebo or Olave if not for the injuries.
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11-05-2024, 05:57 PM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,095	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Originally Posted by BakoSaint Its hard to sell off much at the trade deadline when we have already given most players their paychecks in advance through restructuring. Its not a bug deal not to trade Chase Young because we could get a comp pick anyway if he walks in free agency, and if we can get him a few sacks that pick could be better. Had we not extended Kamara we could have traded him, but whats done is done. As for Lattimore’s trade being ‘in the works since december’ it was never real until it happened. Lots of things have been discussed and not happened. Kamara was not restructured until this extension after we restructured the rest of the entire roster, so a Kamara trade could have happened if not for the extension. Maybe we would have moved Adebo or Olave if not for the injuries. I don't think you truly understand Kamara. The guy doesn't live his life off a paycheck. If he says he'd retire before playing outside of New Orleans most everyone that does understand believed he meant what he said. Everything isn't as cut and dry as you always seem to imply. Believe it or not some people have personal value that greatly outweigh monetary values. I know I have passed up on opportunity that didn't align with what I felt was best for my personal philosophies.

11-05-2024, 07:25 PM	#24
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,126	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't think you truly understand Kamara. The guy doesn't live his life off a paycheck. If he says he'd retire before playing outside of New Orleans most everyone that does understand believed he meant what he said. Everything isn't as cut and dry as you always seem to imply. Believe it or not some people have personal value that greatly outweigh monetary values. I know I have passed up on opportunity that didn't align with what I felt was best for my personal philosophies. We have a difference of opinion. You believe Kamara truly would not play anywhere else, even say Denver with Payton or Tennessee where he went to college. I believe his whole ‘i live nola’ thing was an act to get paid the Cam Jordan rate in his twilight years. You respect Kamara as a nostalgic heart, I respect him as a business man who negotiated a 150% premium.
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11-05-2024, 08:28 PM	#25
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,095	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Originally Posted by BakoSaint We have a difference of opinion. You believe Kamara truly would not play anywhere else, even say Denver with Payton or Tennessee where he went to college. I believe his whole ‘i live nola’ thing was an act to get paid the Cam Jordan rate in his twilight years. You respect Kamara as a nostalgic heart, I respect him as a business man who negotiated a 150% premium. No. I respect him as an honest person who doesn't fit the norm. You appear to be a person that sees nothing beyond the almighty dollar. Believe it or not many of us have moral compasses that guide our decisions. Wonder why you rub me so wrong. Hmm?

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11-05-2024, 08:38 PM	#26
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,126	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. I respect him as an honest person who doesn't fit the norm. You appear to be a person that sees nothing beyond the almighty dollar. Believe it or not many of us have moral compasses that guide our decisions. Wonder why you rub me so wrong. Hmm? So do you believe everyone who uses a negotiating tactic is dishonest and has no moral compass? I have never said that Kamara is a bad person or dishonest. I just believe he saw Cameron Jordan get a big payday and he decided that his kids need to eat too so he followed Cam's playbook. I don't think there is anything wrong with it on his part. I think it was a mistake on Loomis to write the check. Personally I don't understand why a veteran player who went to high school in Georgia and college in Tennessee and whose first NFL coach is now coaching Denver would want to absolutely rule out going to another team and instead prefer to stick with a 2-7 team with an interim coach and decimated roster that will run him into the ground for mostly losses and likely needs to go into a rebuild for the rest of his career under a new coaching staff, rather than considering the opportunity to play for a contender. Maybe he just loves the uniform that much. If he does, good for him. But the premium he got paid above market makes more sense as an explanation to me. If he truly just bled black and gold and didnt care about money, why did he turn down the Saints contract extension offers until they got to $12 million a year, when Derrick Henry and Joe Mixon got $8 million a year? Actions speak louder than words and his actions were that he wanted the Saints to pay him like Barkley not like Henry or Mixon, which indicates he does care about money. And I dont believe another team would have paid him like Barkley, so shrewd negotiating tactics is the most reasonable explanation to me for the contrast of his words (I just love the Saints and want to retire here) and actions (refusing to sign under the Saints offered Barkley numbers not Henry/Mixon numbers).
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