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Old 11-05-2024, 04:30 PM   #21
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Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

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Old 11-05-2024, 05:44 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
That's it. Our lone trade was one that has essentially been in the works since last December. No mid-season sell-off as some may have hoped. We have exactly the same roster given Lattimore's inability to get onto the field that we had a week ago. Minus a head coach, of course.
Its hard to sell off much at the trade deadline when we have already given most players their paychecks in advance through restructuring. Its not a bug deal not to trade Chase Young because we could get a comp pick anyway if he walks in free agency, and if we can get him a few sacks that pick could be better. Had we not extended Kamara we could have traded him, but whats done is done.

As for Lattimore’s trade being ‘in the works since december’ it was never real until it happened. Lots of things have been discussed and not happened. Kamara was not restructured until this extension after we restructured the rest of the entire roster, so a Kamara trade could have happened if not for the extension. Maybe we would have moved Adebo or Olave if not for the injuries.
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Old 11-05-2024, 05:57 PM   #23
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Its hard to sell off much at the trade deadline when we have already given most players their paychecks in advance through restructuring. Its not a bug deal not to trade Chase Young because we could get a comp pick anyway if he walks in free agency, and if we can get him a few sacks that pick could be better. Had we not extended Kamara we could have traded him, but whats done is done.

As for Lattimore’s trade being ‘in the works since december’ it was never real until it happened. Lots of things have been discussed and not happened. Kamara was not restructured until this extension after we restructured the rest of the entire roster, so a Kamara trade could have happened if not for the extension. Maybe we would have moved Adebo or Olave if not for the injuries.
I don't think you truly understand Kamara. The guy doesn't live his life off a paycheck. If he says he'd retire before playing outside of New Orleans most everyone that does understand believed he meant what he said. Everything isn't as cut and dry as you always seem to imply. Believe it or not some people have personal value that greatly outweigh monetary values. I know I have passed up on opportunity that didn't align with what I felt was best for my personal philosophies.
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Old 11-05-2024, 07:25 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
I don't think you truly understand Kamara. The guy doesn't live his life off a paycheck. If he says he'd retire before playing outside of New Orleans most everyone that does understand believed he meant what he said. Everything isn't as cut and dry as you always seem to imply. Believe it or not some people have personal value that greatly outweigh monetary values. I know I have passed up on opportunity that didn't align with what I felt was best for my personal philosophies.
We have a difference of opinion. You believe Kamara truly would not play anywhere else, even say Denver with Payton or Tennessee where he went to college. I believe his whole ‘i live nola’ thing was an act to get paid the Cam Jordan rate in his twilight years. You respect Kamara as a nostalgic heart, I respect him as a business man who negotiated a 150% premium.
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Old 11-05-2024, 08:28 PM   #25
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We have a difference of opinion. You believe Kamara truly would not play anywhere else, even say Denver with Payton or Tennessee where he went to college. I believe his whole ‘i live nola’ thing was an act to get paid the Cam Jordan rate in his twilight years. You respect Kamara as a nostalgic heart, I respect him as a business man who negotiated a 150% premium.
No. I respect him as an honest person who doesn't fit the norm. You appear to be a person that sees nothing beyond the almighty dollar. Believe it or not many of us have moral compasses that guide our decisions.

Wonder why you rub me so wrong. Hmm?
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Old 11-05-2024, 08:38 PM   #26
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No. I respect him as an honest person who doesn't fit the norm. You appear to be a person that sees nothing beyond the almighty dollar. Believe it or not many of us have moral compasses that guide our decisions.

Wonder why you rub me so wrong. Hmm?
So do you believe everyone who uses a negotiating tactic is dishonest and has no moral compass? I have never said that Kamara is a bad person or dishonest. I just believe he saw Cameron Jordan get a big payday and he decided that his kids need to eat too so he followed Cam's playbook. I don't think there is anything wrong with it on his part. I think it was a mistake on Loomis to write the check.

Personally I don't understand why a veteran player who went to high school in Georgia and college in Tennessee and whose first NFL coach is now coaching Denver would want to absolutely rule out going to another team and instead prefer to stick with a 2-7 team with an interim coach and decimated roster that will run him into the ground for mostly losses and likely needs to go into a rebuild for the rest of his career under a new coaching staff, rather than considering the opportunity to play for a contender. Maybe he just loves the uniform that much. If he does, good for him. But the premium he got paid above market makes more sense as an explanation to me.

If he truly just bled black and gold and didnt care about money, why did he turn down the Saints contract extension offers until they got to $12 million a year, when Derrick Henry and Joe Mixon got $8 million a year? Actions speak louder than words and his actions were that he wanted the Saints to pay him like Barkley not like Henry or Mixon, which indicates he does care about money. And I dont believe another team would have paid him like Barkley, so shrewd negotiating tactics is the most reasonable explanation to me for the contrast of his words (I just love the Saints and want to retire here) and actions (refusing to sign under the Saints offered Barkley numbers not Henry/Mixon numbers).
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Old 11-06-2024, 01:56 AM   #27
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Alex Anzalone is 30 y/o, injury prone his entire time here, and overrated. Kaden Ellis is playing well, but nowhere near the level Davis has played over the last three years. Cam Jordan fell off a good minute ago. Shy Tuttle isn’t good. Ravens fans complain about Marcus Williams just as much as ours did while he was here. Baun should have never been drafted into this scheme. Loomis special there. Trey was always hurt just like Davenport. I can let that slide as an honest mistake. He’s the biggest loss imo.

My point: The Saints keep some players too long and give up on others too soon. Overrated or not Anzalone was in the playoffs last year and most likely this year. Ellis and Baun probably this year too.

Davis and the Saints the last 3 years?

Hendrickson and Anzalone both played the same number of seasons with the Saints and their current teams, yet both have played in more games since leaving New Orleans. Is it the player or the organization?
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Old 11-06-2024, 03:52 AM   #28
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Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes?

It might be a shorter list to post who should NOT be traded.
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Old 11-06-2024, 09:07 AM   #29
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Originally Posted by vpheughan View Post
My point: The Saints keep some players too long and give up on others too soon. Overrated or not Anzalone was in the playoffs last year and most likely this year. Ellis and Baun probably this year too.

Davis and the Saints the last 3 years?

Hendrickson and Anzalone both played the same number of seasons with the Saints and their current teams, yet both have played in more games since leaving New Orleans. Is it the player or the organization?
Anzalone (active in 16 games last year, 17 the year before) continues to make plays, Baun has really helped that Philly defense and Ellis has been surprisingly productive in Atlanta.

Hendrickson is still leading the NFL in sacks?

Yeah, it's the Saints organization.
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Old 11-06-2024, 09:11 AM   #30
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I wish we could move olave. Get something while we can. Young would bring little to nothing I’m afraid. Maybe a 6th. Olave could draw a 2 and 3 if healthy.
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