2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes?

saintsfan1976 · 11-04-2024, 05:58 PM

Chase Young for a 3rd or 4th. I'd hope for a 3rd since his salary is low.

Lattimore for a 3rd or 4th & swap late rounders.

Kamara? I hope not.

Demario?

Olave?

AsylumGuido · 11-04-2024, 06:14 PM

Kamara has already said he'll retire and "move to Africa" before playing anywhere other than New Orleans. I believe him. Going nowhere.

Olave has no market given his recent injury history.

Demario? See Kamara above.

There may not be any. We'll need them for our run to 10-7 and the NFC South title in historic fashion on the way to winning the Lombardi in the Home Dome!

mapcow · 11-06-2024, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Kamara has already said he'll retire and "move to Africa" before playing anywhere other than New Orleans. I believe him. Going nowhere.

Olave has no market given his recent injury history.

Demario? See Kamara above.

There may not be any. We'll need them for our run to 10-7 and the NFC South title in historic fashion on the way to winning the Lombardi in the Home Dome!

Unless some sort of "you can't trade me" clause is in his contract, I don't think it is up to the thug to determine his fate as a Saint. If a good enough offer is made, the thug is gone. AND if the Saints organization agreed to such a clause, then there in fact proves management stupidity.

AsylumGuido · 11-06-2024, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

Unless some sort of "you can't trade me" clause is in his contract, I don't think it is up to the thug to determine his fate as a Saint. If a good enough offer is made, the thug is gone. AND if the Saints organization agreed to such a clause, then there in fact proves management stupidity.

No trade clauses are quite common in player contracts. That said, Kamara doesn't have one and doesn't need one. What he does have is the ability to retire instead of going to that other team. And that is exactly what he has stated several times when asked about possibly playing elsewhere other than New Orleans. He has repeatedly said whenever his time ends with the Saints he's going to Africa and retire. His mother is from Liberia and that's where he plans to go live. Kamara has been extremely involved in real estate investments and is pretty much set for life as opposed to many other players.

neugey · 11-04-2024, 06:40 PM

There's so little time to work with, and we don't have leverage. Don't count on many deals going through or getting a good return. A 5th for Lattimore might be as good as it gets.

BakoSaint · 11-04-2024, 08:26 PM

I would be surprised if we got anything more than a 4th or 5th max for Lattimore. No team wants Lattimore next year for $18m with his health and age so its an 8 game rental of a player whose health makes them a 50/50 bet to remain available. The one attractive thing for teams trading for Lattimore is that we already ate his salary with a restructure so the rental would only cost $0.5m.

It would not make sense to extend Kamara and trade him. I don't buy the whole Africa thing. I think that was pillow talk to get Loomis to bend over and pay him way above market by saying 'I love you more than anyone else, I could never be with anyone else, we were meant to be, now bend over.' But trading Kamara would trigger a cap hit of $12m so I don't think we do it. Kamaras contract is structured so most of his new money came as a bonus we paid that day, so we don't save much by moving him anymore, and no team wants to give high picks for an aging RB when lots of teams got better RBs for free in free agency.

The return for players like Davis and Mathieu who are showing decline of age and tons of rust would be little or nothing.

Adebo was a player we could have traded if healthy, but so much for that.

Olave is so cheap and young I think we might get a 4th for him even with concussion issues if he wants to continue playing. A team trading for him would be risking $3.5m for a potential #1 WR if they have a QB with better touch to avoid hospital balls. The Dolphins gave OBJ $3m + 5.25m incentives for two years. $3.5m for a flyer on 1.5 years of Olave is a decent bet. If Olave returned to form but left in 2026, that other team would stand to gain a high comp pick. The problem with trading Olave for a 4th is that his salary is so cheap this year and for the rest of the contract that the cap relief is fairly minimal.

AsylumGuido · 11-05-2024, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

It would not make sense to extend Kamara and trade him. I don't buy the whole Africa thing. I think that was pillow talk to get Loomis to bend over and pay him way above market by saying 'I love you more than anyone else, I could never be with anyone else, we were meant to be, now bend over.' But trading Kamara would trigger a cap hit of $12m so I don't think we do it. Kamaras contract is structured so most of his new money came as a bonus we paid that day, so we don't save much by moving him anymore, and no team wants to give high picks for an aging RB when lots of teams got better RBs for free in free agency.

Kamara is a different dude. The guy's kept or invested every penny he's made in the game. It's no longer about the money. He wanted the extension solely because he wanted to stay in New Orleans and continue playing. When he says he'll retire before playing anywhere else I believe him.

AsylumGuido · 11-05-2024, 09:52 AM

One I keep "hearing" is Chase Young. Another is Granderson.

rezburna · 11-04-2024, 08:39 PM

I’d ride the season out, fire Mickey Loomis, and let a new GM decide what he wants to do with the piece we have. If we have a top 5 pick then I’d like to draft Cam Ward or Shedeur Sanders, but if we trade back and pick up more capital I understand. If we could trade back a spot or two and get Will Campbell to pair with Fuaga that would be a great start. Try to grab Tate Ratledge to plug at LG and grab a RB like Judkins from Ohio State. Sign Mac Jones to a cheap two year deal and see what you can get at QB in 2026. Sucks to have to speculate in November for next year.

saintsfan1976 · 11-05-2024, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’d ride the season out, fire Mickey Loomis, and let a new GM decide what he wants to do with the piece we have. If we have a top 5 pick then I’d like to draft Cam Ward or Shedeur Sanders, but if we trade back and pick up more capital I understand. If we could trade back a spot or two and get Will Campbell to pair with Fuaga that would be a great start. Try to grab Tate Ratledge to plug at LG and grab a RB like Judkins from Ohio State. Sign Mac Jones to a cheap two year deal and see what you can get at QB in 2026. Sucks to have to speculate in November for next year.

If I were remotely confident in the possibility of a new GM then yes, I'd be okay with that.

However we need to assume he's here next season.

Young - better to get something for him before he hits free agency. I don't think he'll command top dollar but teams may easily outbid us.

Lattimore - another season, another injury... Great player but not worth the contract as he approaches 30. Personally, I'd love to see him get a ring somewhere.

Kamara - This is the one player I strongly believe should remain in New Orleans. He has so much left to give despite age.

11-04-2024, 06:14 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Kamara has already said he'll retire and "move to Africa" before playing anywhere other than New Orleans. I believe him. Going nowhere. Olave has no market given his recent injury history. Demario? See Kamara above. There may not be any. We'll need them for our run to 10-7 and the NFC South title in historic fashion on the way to winning the Lombardi in the Home Dome! bobdog86 and Big_L like this.

11-06-2024, 11:54 AM	#3
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,818	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Kamara has already said he'll retire and "move to Africa" before playing anywhere other than New Orleans. I believe him. Going nowhere. Olave has no market given his recent injury history. Demario? See Kamara above. There may not be any. We'll need them for our run to 10-7 and the NFC South title in historic fashion on the way to winning the Lombardi in the Home Dome! Unless some sort of "you can't trade me" clause is in his contract, I don't think it is up to the thug to determine his fate as a Saint. If a good enough offer is made, the thug is gone. AND if the Saints organization agreed to such a clause, then there in fact proves management stupidity.
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11-06-2024, 12:38 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Originally Posted by mapcow Unless some sort of "you can't trade me" clause is in his contract, I don't think it is up to the thug to determine his fate as a Saint. If a good enough offer is made, the thug is gone. AND if the Saints organization agreed to such a clause, then there in fact proves management stupidity. No trade clauses are quite common in player contracts. That said, Kamara doesn't have one and doesn't need one. What he does have is the ability to retire instead of going to that other team. And that is exactly what he has stated several times when asked about possibly playing elsewhere other than New Orleans. He has repeatedly said whenever his time ends with the Saints he's going to Africa and retire. His mother is from Liberia and that's where he plans to go live. Kamara has been extremely involved in real estate investments and is pretty much set for life as opposed to many other players.
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11-04-2024, 06:40 PM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,820 Blog Entries: 13	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? There's so little time to work with, and we don't have leverage. Don't count on many deals going through or getting a good return. A 5th for Lattimore might be as good as it gets. UK_WhoDat likes this.

11-04-2024, 08:26 PM	#6
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,304	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? I would be surprised if we got anything more than a 4th or 5th max for Lattimore. No team wants Lattimore next year for $18m with his health and age so its an 8 game rental of a player whose health makes them a 50/50 bet to remain available. The one attractive thing for teams trading for Lattimore is that we already ate his salary with a restructure so the rental would only cost $0.5m. It would not make sense to extend Kamara and trade him. I don't buy the whole Africa thing. I think that was pillow talk to get Loomis to bend over and pay him way above market by saying 'I love you more than anyone else, I could never be with anyone else, we were meant to be, now bend over.' But trading Kamara would trigger a cap hit of $12m so I don't think we do it. Kamaras contract is structured so most of his new money came as a bonus we paid that day, so we don't save much by moving him anymore, and no team wants to give high picks for an aging RB when lots of teams got better RBs for free in free agency. The return for players like Davis and Mathieu who are showing decline of age and tons of rust would be little or nothing. Adebo was a player we could have traded if healthy, but so much for that. Olave is so cheap and young I think we might get a 4th for him even with concussion issues if he wants to continue playing. A team trading for him would be risking $3.5m for a potential #1 WR if they have a QB with better touch to avoid hospital balls. The Dolphins gave OBJ $3m + 5.25m incentives for two years. $3.5m for a flyer on 1.5 years of Olave is a decent bet. If Olave returned to form but left in 2026, that other team would stand to gain a high comp pick. The problem with trading Olave for a 4th is that his salary is so cheap this year and for the rest of the contract that the cap relief is fairly minimal.
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11-04-2024, 05:58 PM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Chase Young for a 3rd or 4th. I'd hope for a 3rd since his salary is low. Lattimore for a 3rd or 4th & swap late rounders. Kamara? I hope not. Demario? Olave?

11-05-2024, 09:33 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Originally Posted by BakoSaint It would not make sense to extend Kamara and trade him. I don't buy the whole Africa thing. I think that was pillow talk to get Loomis to bend over and pay him way above market by saying 'I love you more than anyone else, I could never be with anyone else, we were meant to be, now bend over.' But trading Kamara would trigger a cap hit of $12m so I don't think we do it. Kamaras contract is structured so most of his new money came as a bonus we paid that day, so we don't save much by moving him anymore, and no team wants to give high picks for an aging RB when lots of teams got better RBs for free in free agency. Kamara is a different dude. The guy's kept or invested every penny he's made in the game. It's no longer about the money. He wanted the extension solely because he wanted to stay in New Orleans and continue playing. When he says he'll retire before playing anywhere else I believe him.

11-05-2024, 09:52 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? One I keep "hearing" is Chase Young. Another is Granderson.

11-04-2024, 08:39 PM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? I’d ride the season out, fire Mickey Loomis, and let a new GM decide what he wants to do with the piece we have. If we have a top 5 pick then I’d like to draft Cam Ward or Shedeur Sanders, but if we trade back and pick up more capital I understand. If we could trade back a spot or two and get Will Campbell to pair with Fuaga that would be a great start. Try to grab Tate Ratledge to plug at LG and grab a RB like Judkins from Ohio State. Sign Mac Jones to a cheap two year deal and see what you can get at QB in 2026. Sucks to have to speculate in November for next year. Danno, SaintFanQ, bobdog86 and 1 others like this.
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11-05-2024, 05:13 AM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2024 Trade Deadline - Who Goes? Originally Posted by rezburna I’d ride the season out, fire Mickey Loomis, and let a new GM decide what he wants to do with the piece we have. If we have a top 5 pick then I’d like to draft Cam Ward or Shedeur Sanders, but if we trade back and pick up more capital I understand. If we could trade back a spot or two and get Will Campbell to pair with Fuaga that would be a great start. Try to grab Tate Ratledge to plug at LG and grab a RB like Judkins from Ohio State. Sign Mac Jones to a cheap two year deal and see what you can get at QB in 2026. Sucks to have to speculate in November for next year. If I were remotely confident in the possibility of a new GM then yes, I'd be okay with that. However we need to assume he's here next season. Young - better to get something for him before he hits free agency. I don't think he'll command top dollar but teams may easily outbid us. Lattimore - another season, another injury... Great player but not worth the contract as he approaches 30. Personally, I'd love to see him get a ring somewhere. Kamara - This is the one player I strongly believe should remain in New Orleans. He has so much left to give despite age.