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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheOak 'Average deal'... Did not perform at the level of an average NFL QB. Barely played 1/2 the games. His value is 1/4 of his pay somewhere else. Originally Posted by BakoSaint Sometimes 75% of what you ...
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Re: The Saints Could Theoretically Give Derek Carr A True Pay Cut Ultimatum
Originally Posted by TheOak
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint
Basically my point in the last few years... if the franchise is going to be average or below average, there's no point in overpaying for a QB. The same result can be had with a less cap strangling QB, even a rookie, and even a later round QB. Plenty of examples we've seen. Thank God we didn't win the Watson sweepstakes. What an even worse disaster that would have been.
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Re: The Saints Could Theoretically Give Derek Carr A True Pay Cut Ultimatum
Originally Posted by stickman
Why would he agree to a pay cut?![]()
He has the team by the balls and if they cut him he gets paid and signs on elsewhere, if he stays he gets paid. I don't blame him, i blame Loomis and Allen for giving him the deal in the first place |
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Re: The Saints Could Theoretically Give Derek Carr A True Pay Cut Ultimatum
Originally Posted by lee909
Only $10 million of his $40 million is fully guaranteed. The Saints will take a massive cap hit to cut him but if they are willing to take that cap hit, which essentially amounts to going full rebuild for 2025, he is out $30 million. Plus even the $10 million has offset language, so if some sucker team is willing to give him $20 million, we save $10 million more and he is out $20 million. If he signs a vet minimum $1 million deal to screw us on the offset then he is out $31 million. And if he signs that $1 million deal and gets hurt or plays poorly he is done making money. So probably if we cut him he either retires and loses $30 million, risks it all on a 2025 vet minimum deal and loses $31 million with high risk for the future, or he has to settle for something like a 2 year $50 million deal with $20 million guaranteed, loses $20 million this year and $20 million next, and we save $40 million long term even if the immediate cap hit is bad, and we have maybe the best cap in the league in 2027. Its all a matter of being willing to cut him. If we are, we have the leverage, and Carr may be dancing with the stars in 2025 or 2026 or doing survivor island or the bachelor or whatever.![]()
Also there is no way Carr's hand should still be injured in March. If it is, the team should attempt to void his contract and argue the hand recovery was stopped by Carr's own extracurricular activities off the field |
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Re: The Saints Could Theoretically Give Derek Carr A True Pay Cut Ultimatum
Well, Carr didn't "adjust" his contract for the team that drafted him, so why would he do it in N.O.?
It's just crazy to me that Gayle and Loomis essentially gave him 100M guaranteed after coming off a bad year on a contract that paid him only 25M (guaranteed). Everyone can say that the deal was average, but an average deal can still be an overpay if no one else is out there bidding. This philosophy of kicking the can down the road has gotten the Saints where they are right now and it's embarassing. It's time for the executives to get this team in sound fiscal shape so that they can acquire YOUNG talent. Gum smacking Loomis needs to figure this out. Better yet, step aside. |
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Re: The Saints Could Theoretically Give Derek Carr A True Pay Cut Ultimatum
Originally Posted by iceshack149
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Originally Posted by K Major
That's the point isn't it? If a QB is going to be average why pay the man top dollar?
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Re: The Saints Could Theoretically Give Derek Carr A True Pay Cut Ultimatum
Originally Posted by K Major
'Average deal'... ![]()
Did not perform at the level of an average NFL QB. Barely played 1/2 the games. His value is 1/4 of his pay somewhere else. ![]() |
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Re: The Saints Could Theoretically Give Derek Carr A True Pay Cut Ultimatum
Seems like Denver survived such a hideous hit just fine. But I digress.
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Re: The Saints Could Theoretically Give Derek Carr A True Pay Cut Ultimatum
It easier to pay your way out of a bad Carr lease when your credit cards are not maxxed out and your bank account isn't empty. Denver had the spare cap space to take the hit and still have money to spend. We can take the cap hit, but all the free agents we sign will also have to be rookies, which is ok with me. Goodbye Tee Higgins, hello Hee Tiggins out of Northwest Dakota Tech. I am ok with it for a year.
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Re: The Saints Could Theoretically Give Derek Carr A True Pay Cut Ultimatum
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
Agree with this. That's one of the reasons I don't mind a first time head coach. He learns while the team works its way out of cap purgatory. I just hope whoever gets hired gets a fair chance and isn't scapegoated for a bad season next year.
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Re: The Saints Could Theoretically Give Derek Carr A True Pay Cut Ultimatum
After Carr's recent comments my view has changed. Just the fact that he made the statement publicly shows he isn't the type of leader he claims to be.
CUT HIM. Then find a head coach who's aligned with your plan. Then cut or trade every over-the-hill or over-priced player. Field a team of rookies, UDFAs and Canadian League players for all I care. Get the #1 pick in 2026. Draft Arch Manning and rebuild this franchise from the ground up in 2-3 years. I'd respect that a hell of a lot more than whatever it is you call it today. |
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