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Carr wanted out and we kept him anyway. Mickey Loomis is so trash.

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I dont believe Carr really wanted out. I believe he was due to make $40m, his market is $20-25m, we asked him to take a pay cut, and instead he dared Loomis to cut him and let him test the market, knowing Loomis could not give up that D. Cutting Carr would have triggered a cap hit that forced a rebuild year and if there are three words in the english language that Loomis cannot stand they are rebuild, sober, and a common slang term for female genitalia.

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https://x.com/nfl/status/18988710626...-HZkcubK8lB6Vw

2yrs 46M 26 guaranteed.

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More total money than you discussed but a lot less guaranteed, $26m vs $35m. In all likelihood this is effectively a 1 year $26m deal with a team option for a second year at $20m if Adams does not decline as quickly as expected. And for all we know the $46m number includes some incredibly unlikely bonuses like for winning rings and getting 1500 yards receiving and this is really a 2 year $30 million deal if Adams doesnt trigger big escalator clauses.

Actually this is the second time in 3 years the Rams have given a free agent WR a $46 million contract with over $25 million guaranteed. The last was Allen Robinson, and that did not work out so well. So I maintain my opinion that its too much money, even if a stupid desperate team whose window has probably closed did it. Glad we aren't that team on Adams at least.

I guess the argument is a deal like this could make sense for a team like the Rams that has a Superbowl caliber QB whose window to win again is rapidly closing and wants to go all-in for one more year. Like the Saints around 2020. It would make no sense for the 2025 Saints that are the exact opposite and need to rebuild. It's probably still a mistake for the Rams. Adams is old and rapidly declining.

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Loomis should be fired just for that stat alone. What a stupid ass contract. Good grief wish we would’ve just cut him, took the cap hit and burned the season.

Infuriating.

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I don’t like carr but I don’t think we are a better team without him. Rattler can sit another year before he is given a chance. I think he has potential but I’d rather ride with carr and possibly draft Dart if he is there in round 2.

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Agree we are not the team for Adams. He's a luxury and Saints need to rebuild the roster.

While his contract terms are similar to Robinson, the mistake you make is in equating the two beyond that.

Over the last six years Adams recorded 609 receptions for 7,647 yards and 64 TDs, while Robinson had 308 receptions for 3,456 yards and 17 TDs.

If anyone didn't deserve the money, it was Robinson but I'll bet the Rams didn't count on him having foot surgery in year 1.

Sources: Patriots to trade Davon Godchaux to Saints for pick
 

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Re: Sources: Patriots to trade Davon Godchaux to Saints for pick
 

Re: Sources: Patriots to trade Davon Godchaux to Saints for pick
 

Re: Sources: Patriots to trade Davon Godchaux to Saints for pick
 

Re: Sources: Patriots to trade Davon Godchaux to Saints for pick
 

This is a steal

Re: Sources: Patriots to trade Davon Godchaux to Saints for pick
 

Yes. I would say so.

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I don't hate this. Saunders and Shephard might be casualties now.

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Really like this deal. We needed it. And for a 7th?? Wonderful

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I am not a big fan of this move, at least nothing to get very excited about. Godchaux will be 31 years old this year and had a mediocre 51.6 grade from PFF (consistent with his last few years of play). He has a $4 million guaranteed salary plus another million in bonuses. By comparison other DI PFFs: Saunders 54.7, Boyd 51.9, Ridgeway 48.4, Shepherd 43.4, Bresee 36.5. It seems like we just added more mediocrity in an older form. Its good that he has been healthier than some of the others but he is also more costly. Lets face it, the Patriots have been one of the worst teams in the league the past few years, and we are penciling in their mediocre players as starters now.

This could have made more sense if he was coming into camp to compete for a roster spot, but his $4mil salary is guaranteed, so this was the patriots unloading a mediocre older player to save their salary cap and us buying high. Also, I see no reason we had to make this move before the draft. What if a great DT falls to us, and now we have basically committed $5 million to a mediocre veteran.

Overall, if Godchaux fill a specific role for a NT we need in Staley's defense, I guess he is a relatively cheap option. Still, its money down the tubes in what should be a rebuilding year on what will never be a great team in 2025. I hope this is the most expensive addition of our offseason, excluding our 1st round pick.

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Well color me shocked. :D

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What if a great DT falls to us in the draft and he turns out to be a bust or average at best? Or what if one worth drafting in the spot we’re in in the draft doesnt carry the value to draft? Being Godchaux is older is more the reason you draft a DT…you draft for the future. That rookie DT will have a year or two to develop if needed,and if not and he’s a stud from day one, Godchaux can be rotational and depth,which we need because we had zero NTs on our roster before this move

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What if a 31 year old declines, gets injured, or has trouble adjusting to a new system? Every player had downside. So I like players with upside to make up for it. I don't see the upside in an older mediocre player from a poor team who costs more than any DT on our current roster despite similar performance and gives us C- level output every week, when we should be rebuilding. Ultimately, this is an aging player who a bad team was looking to trade for the last month. He had been given permission to seek a trade in February, no team wanted him for a month, and ultimately we were the only bidder with a 2026 7th rounder. That should tell you a lot.

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What if he happens to be very productive in our system for a year or two?
We can play the what if game forever, but when the season is underway, we’ll know if it was a good move or not. Plenty of aging players have gone to other teams and have succeeded and even surpassed what was expected.
I’m all for investing in youth, and I’d be willing to bet they have plans to draft a NT, but as for now, he’s fills a big need.

How did you find out no other team inquired about him?

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What it tells me is that you are going to ***** and moan about anything we ever do. :rolleyes:

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Adebo to the Giants.

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I like it. He fits a 3-4 very well. He's probably our best 3-4 DT now.
He may be an average 3-4 DT but there isn't anyone better on our roster that fits a 3-4 like he does.

Worst case he provides good depth or becomes a quality rotational player with a young DT we acquire in the draft.

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Well that sucks. I really liked him. That puts us down 2 potential starters. I assume CB just moved ahead of some other positions in the draft.

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So does this push Breese outside or does he stay in a rotation?

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Never, ever, ever, ever take that deal! I meant the deal for Olave!

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Would think Breese is an edge in 3-4. What we need is OLBs.

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Thank god. Massive overpay for a player who is coming off an injury nobody at his position has ever recovered from, who was struggling before the injury anyway, and was never consistent in the past.

I think we should put Alontae Taylor back on the edge. There is the argument that we have moved Taylor around too much but I think in his 2022 rookie year on the edge he was actually a good all around player. Then in 2023 we decided at the last minute to hand the job back to Adebo and force Taylor to the slot where he was uncomfortable. Then in 2024 Taylor had a full training camp in the slot and made some strides with run defense and pass rush from the slot, but just isn't suited to coverage in the slot, and suffered from being bounces around between the slot and edge due to injuries. I think Taylor's only chance to be a good all around player is in the slot and we should use him there.

Adebo’s contract may net us a high comp pick. We should try to make sure we dont flush that pick signing some $5 million backup. Wait until after the deadline or sign players who were cut.

Re: Sources: Patriots to trade Davon Godchaux to Saints for pick
 

I would have been happy if we acquired Joe Milton or Tanner McKee at a reasonable cost. I would be glad if we traded back in the draft. I am happy we didn't outbid the Giants for Paulson Adebo. Some Saints columnists have said they expect us to be quiet in free agency and I will be happy if that happens. Some have expected us to move on from certain older players like Hill and Jordan and I would be happy about that. If we trade Chris Olave for a decent 2nd or 3rd round pick I will be happy. If we decline Penning and Olave's 5th year options I will be happy about that. If we trade Carr, as one recent article suggested, I will be happy, though a little confused as selling cap space while cap poor is an odd strategy. What I will be happy with is cutting costs, fixing the cap, and acquiring cheap young talent and the financial resources to build around that nucleus in the future. What I will be unhappy with is going all-in to win-now with Derek Carr, which I feel is impossible and will only set us back.

Re: Sources: Patriots to trade Davon Godchaux to Saints for pick
 

Of course you do.

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Adebo has recovered and is likely to return stronger than before. If the Saints had the money he would've been paid to stay.

Your post is confusing - you're saying Taylor should be on the edge, he isn't suited to slot but would be the best in the slot???

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Nathan Shepherd signs one year extension with Saints.

I haven't seen any numbers but it should include a restructuring of 2015 freeing up more cap.

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Adebo deal with Giants $54 million three year with $36 million guaranteed.

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No thank you

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It appears Boyd may be our other NT...

From MSN:
At 6'2" and 320-Lbs., Boyd fits the physical prototype of a 3-4 nose tackle. His college tape, post-season collegiate performance, and little NFL action also shows a player who could be suited for that role.

Boyd has excellent upper body power and plays with terrific leverage. He's extremely hard to knock off point and even more difficult to knock off his feet. His core strength allows him to hold up well against double teams, while his good initial movement at the snap often gave him an immediate leverage advantage.

Boyd's shorter arms limited him as a 4-3 tackle. He's also shown some issues in read-and-react responsibilities, causing him to get sealed inside or slow in play recognition. Neither are nearly as big an issue for a nose tackle in a three-man front.

Nose tackle is pretty much a position of pure power and leverage. Boyd has both. He also has a high motor and surprising arsenal of pass rush moves. Most importantly, Boyd has the ability to withstand multiple blockers with the strength to stalemate and the agility to slip by them.

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Fixed the typo. I want Taylor on the edge.

I dont believe Adebo has recovered until there is game tape and he is more effective than the lackluster performance we saw pre injury. Even if he is great in 2025 I dont trust him to stop sucking in even numbered years. Remember Michael Thomas made videos on his comeback trail too. They meant nothing.

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All I want for Free Agency is Mekhi Becton