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Sure, McShay suggested it, but Sigler shot him down saying he was ignoring the cap implications. Look at paragraphs four and five of his article.

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Saints appear to be making a move for Cooper Kupp.

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Cooper's grandfather was a New Orleans Saints left guard 1967-1975.

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Cooper Kupp … love his body of work (3-4 years ago), route mastery, good locker room guy etc., but he”ll be 32 at the start of training camp. He hasn’t been the most healthy player as of late & I don’t think his services will come (spotrac valuation is 11M) at a discount either.

Improve by drafting better & signing younger, cheaper guys.

It’s time to reset this thing for the future.

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You are making too much sense.

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Sigler is wrong though, unless he is ignoring strategy and just stating that a high dead cap number in one particular year would look bad from a PR standpoint. Derek Carr's current cap charge for 2026 is $69 million, made up of $50 million base salary and $19 million 'zombie money' from prorated bonuses Carr was given in past restructures for past years play, its not dead cap exactly but really its the same because its for a player who is no longer on the roster unless you own a time machine, a younger version of a current player. The dead cap to cut or trade Carr is $60 million but that $60 million includes merely renaming that $19 million of 'zombie money' to 'dead money' that is on our cap in 2026 no matter what, unless Carr quits and we claw it back in arbitration. Then $40.5 million of additional prorated bonus 'zombie money' would be accelerated as dead cap to 2026. But Carr's $50 million base salary would be removed from the 2026 cap. So cutting or trading Carr would actually lower the Saints 2026 cap obligations by $9.5 million immediately, in time to help us get under the 2026 cap by the start of the league year.

While designating Carr a post-June-1 cut or actually waiting until post-June-1 to cut him in 2026 (a better option than the prior because the contract has no guarantee triggers inbetween so there is nothing to gain with wasting the tag) may seem like a better option to split up the dead cap, $19 million to 2026 and $40.5 million to 2027, neither post-June-1 option offers that immediate $9.5 million cap relief in March to help us get under the 2026 cap. Post June 1 tags have no cap effect until June 1, so that $50 million base salary would stay on the books. Ultimately the team may prefer $9.5 million immediate savings to get under the cap and sign free agents as opposed to $40.5 million savings when free agency is over and the deadline to get under the cap has passed.

So cutting or trading Carr prior to June 1 is completely viable. I assume Carr will be our Week 1 starting QB if he avoids injury in preseason because otherwise it would make even less sense to be spending the money we are, but if things go south, the right trade offer is there, or Carr as a decoy helps the right QB fall to us in the draft, we do have options.

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Agreed, however we have a GM who thinks we’re in contention every year, so it appears this trend will continue until he’s gone

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You’re making too much sense.

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Loomis wants Kupp because Kupp misses games every year, and Loomis's fans forgive him for losses when he has that excuse. Carr, Kamara, Olave, Kupp, Shaheed, maybe keeping Hill too, zero risk of accountability.

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Makes perfect sense…

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I don’t want another overpaid broke down old guy at the end of his career. I’d rather roll with what we have

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What if Kellen loves what he sees from Kupp vs what he has on the roster or draft.

Relax y'all. See what happens before you condemn every decision.

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We’ve been told to relax before, we’ve seen what happens again and again, the condemnation of these decisions is warranted.

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FYI,

Kupp to the Seahawks.

Per reports, 15M per year.
Yeah, let Seattle overpay for a old, injury prone WR.

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I had a feeling that’s where he was headed

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Make sense. That's his home. Yakima, Washington. Just like we're signing all of these Nola area players.

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Time to target a CB & G in Free agency.

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So what's your over/under win total prediction

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Not enough. As usual.

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Becton to the Chargers.

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ESPN has the Saints defensive depth chart set as a base 3-4 front. Don't know if anybody has noticed that.

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Ourlads.com has it as a 4-3, or more precisely a 4-2-5 again. I need to post the new 2025 depth chart anyway.

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Still have a hole @ WR. Free agent Keenan Allen out there …

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This draft class is pretty deep at WR, also.

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IMO Keenan Allen is too old/expensive. Maybe sign DJ Chark and/or just draft 2+ WR's.

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We have too many holes to fill with quality starters all in one offseason. I’d take Allen for now and focus on O line and CB early in the draft. We can address WR later and hope we get lucky and draft a day one starter, or address it next year. I think it’ll take a couple of off seasons to fill this roster out with what Moore needs to field a competitive team.

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Andy Tanner ? :D

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I know Tyler Lockett fits what we look for in a WR in terms of diminished skills but would his durability be a problem not getting to gel with the rest of the offense in the injury tent? Seriously, the last time Keenen Allen was healthy, Keenen Ivory Wayans was doing the halftime show. Or we could switch Taysom Hill to WR.

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I swear, Bako, your schtick grows old quickly. :rolleyes:

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Nice.

But what the Saints are missing is a guy that can do work over the middle and at the short to intermediate level. I hope Keenan is on their radar due to his familiarity with Moore in LA but more importantly his production in 2024.

70 receptions, 7TDs & over 700 yards behind a terrible Bears oline & catching those passes from a rookie QB isn’t too shabby.

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Not as quickly as our roster.

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As painful as it is, that just about wins the Internet today! 🤪

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At least we've got a young coach!

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Camp body :bng:

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Good article by Ross Jackson here.

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He did develop, unlike some so called TEs of old.

Still seems like crazy money.

Hope he delivers and is not oft injured.