Re: Carr May Require Off-Season Surgury
 

Just saw on Fox News we are looking at Rogers. I guess it could be worse. I just hope we don’t get into a bidding war

Re: Carr May Require Off-Season Surgury
 

I am not sure it could be worse. I believe Rodgers will want $30-40 million per year. We can totally sign him for that or even more but it will have extremely bad consequences for the future. Likely the contract would be structured so that more of the payment is deferred and the 2025 cap hit is very low, but then if it is effectively a 1 year deal, all the rest of the money will hit the cap in 2026 if Rodgers moves on or retires. The problem with that is that cutting Derek Carr in the 2026 offseason will also have a big dead cap hit, and if we allocate 2026 cap to Rodgers it strengthens temptation to keep Carr for 2026 and restructure.

Lets say we sign Rodgers to a $36 million contract for 2025 structured with $1 million base salary, $35 million signing bonus, and 4 void years. I think this a reasonable picture of what a 1 year deal with Rodgers could look like. The 2025 cap cost would be only $8 million. But then lets say it doesn't work out of Rodgers has a vision in his sweat lodge that leads him to decide he doesn't want to play for the Saints in 2026 and will retire. And the Saints also want to move on from Carr. The 2026 Saints could be looking at $88 million dead cap in 2026 between Carr ($60 million) and Rodgers ($28 million) with neither on the 2026 team. I am not sure the Saints could afford both cap hits. Even if Rodgers were to sign a bargain contract for $26 million, which I think is highly unlikely, you are still looking at $20 million dead cap for Rodgers in 2026. Signing Aaron Rodgers would be the key to keeping Derek Carr a Saint in 2026, making $50 million for sitting on his butt and eating at Chipotle.

This could lead to keeping Carr in 2026 and paying him $50 million of new money in order to be able to restructure him and reduce his 2026 cap hit to $29 million, but setting up an $80 million dead cap hit for Carr in 2027. Or it could lead to keeping Rodgers in 2026 on similar terms and rolling over the money due, which would leak to a $49 million dead cap hit for Rodgers in 2027. Or knowing Mickey Loomis, he could see restructuring BOTH Carr and Rodgers in 2026 as the smart move, since both contracts would be cheaper to restructure than to terminate on a 1 year basis, which would allow the Saints to be more competitive in free agency and pursue a start like Derek Henry or Michael Evans for 2026 that would be the the missing piece for a champioship. That would set the Saints up for a combined $129 million dead cap hits for moving on from both Carr and Rodgers in the 2027 offseason. And this isn't a joke, it isn't an exaggeration, it is 100% Mickey Loomis's MO and why he needs to be fired immediately and locked out of the building.

Its also easy to say that we would solve all these problems by using a post-June-1 tag on Carr and/or Rodgers. But that just doesn't work. Teams have to be under the cap in March for the start of the league year. Post June 1 tags don't reduce cap numbers until June. They simply help a team cut a player before further guarantees trigger. They wouldn't help much with the Carr/Rodgers mess.

With Carr's injury, age, and attitude we need to get rid of him. Getting rid of him is going to cost money in dead cap hit. We need to set the money aside to take that medicine. We can't spend that money elsewhere.

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Because Mickey had made such a mess of the cap that it was the only way to avoid restructuring every other contract on the roster just to get under the cap

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No, no,no,no

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Only thing I saw from Fox is them say "Rodgers could have a new NFL team and the Saints could look at him" - not sure I've seen anything yet to say they are actively interested, unless I've missed something?

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Man, I’m sure glad I have developed a wicked sense of humor, and other things to do on Sundays.

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There is no way this team’s management/FO would dumb enough to sign Aaron Rogers. Good grief that would be a disaster. The guy is washed up. He isn’t worth the money he’ll be asking or the headache.

To each their own, but any dude that has to go to ****in dirt lodge or whatever it is that he does to figure himself out every year is probably nuts.

I’d roll with Rattler before I ever paid for that guy. He’s done.

That must be fodder.

Re: Carr May Require Off-Season Surgury
 

I’m not so sure. Remember Mickey Loomis & co went after Desean Watson.

But I agree, let someone else sign Rodgers.

It’s time for the Saints to reset this thing with new, young talent.

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It wouldn't be fair to ask our rookie coach Moore to put up with the media circus that comes with Rodgers. Super hard pass.

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When Derek Carr said “I wouldn't take a pay cut. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. Especially with what I put on tape” I am beginning to think the tape in question was recorded at a Diddy party which Carr attended as Mickey Loomis’s guest.