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Good pick.

Probably a Bo Davis endorsement.

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At least we finally addressed a major need.

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Broughton stacks blockers, tracks the ball well, sheds and wraps up. He is strong enough to press blockers with one arm and anchors well enough to fight through combo blocks and double teams. Broughton's 35-inch arm length is outstanding, and his ability to get to the quarterback branches off of his ability to get his hands inside. He can drive blockers and get off blocks when he shoots his hands and presses blockers off his frame. He can play defensive tackle in four-man fronts and defensive end in base three-man fronts. -- Steve Muench


I like what I’m reading. My favorite pick so far.

6’5, 311 lbs, and powerful.

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With a DT pick in the 3rd round, it will be interesting to see which interior defensive lineman can make the Saints team.

An NFL team typically carries 9-10 total dline/edge players on their 53 man roster. Just on interior dline the Saints have.

1. Khalen Saunders, most of whose 2025 salary was guaranteed via restructure, and carries a $4.8m dead cap hit.

2. Davon Godchaux, whose 2025 and 2026 salaries are guaranteed, and who carries a $7.5m dead cap hit.

3. Nathan Shepherd, whose 2025 salary was guaranteed via restructure, and carries a $10.3m dead cap hit.

4. Bryan Bresee, who was our 2023 1st round pick with a fully guaranteed contract, and carries a $7.2m dead cap hit.

5. Vernon Broughton, our new 2025 3rd round pick.

6. John Ridgeway, who was acquired at the cost of two late picks, and had better PFF ratings than Bresee, but has no guaranteed money.

7. Kristian Boyd, a 2024 6th round pick, who has no guaranteed money.

Ridgeway and Boyd seem certain to be cut unless there is a surprise cut, trade, or injury ahead of them. I can't see how we can carry more than 5 interior dline, even 5 may be a lot, especially if we run a 3-4 and these guys are not suited for the edge.

In addition at DE/Edge we have Carl Granderson, Chase Young, Cam Jordan, and Foskey.

At this point it seems like we have 9 dline spots locked up unless we cut or trade recent high draft picks or players with significant guaranteed money or dead cap cost.

I hope Broughton is good. If we could have got a player who was as good at oline, LB, DB, WR, RB, TE, etc it would have been much easier to make space on the roster. Or if we were going to draft dline, it might have made sense not to retain and restructure every veteran dline on our roster and trade for a 31yo veteran dline with $10m guaranteed.

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Solid ^^^^^

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I wouldn’t mind an Emery Jones next and moving him inside. Then we can focus on skill positions the rest of the draft.

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How crazy would it be if we took Sanders here?

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Ah yes, the yearly tradition of taking a safety.

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It's strange we went safety when CB depth is the greater concern.

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I think Shough could turn into a great NFL player, even though I have no idea why we took him in the second round. We almost certainly would’ve had other chances to get him. Maybe the upside was just too much for us to pass on. Either way, I believe he’s going to make waves. I think Dart will as well. I like Milroe too, though I think Shough and Dart will end up being better. As for Sanders, I get why we passed. There just isn't much on film that screams NFL quarterback. Most of his throws were short, quick passes—nothing that shows real anticipation or high-level traits. Nothing about him jumps off the screen to me.

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That pick is a question mark.

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Just about every QB in every draft is a question mark and all but a handful every few years are anything more than a bridge/average QB.

No issue at all with taking him at 40. He's the QB Moore wanted and other teams still need a QB so he took no chances and got his man. And if he's is t good enough they'll be picking top 10-15 again and you go and get one next year

I'd love to see a work horse RB and a LG

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‘Same page’ and ‘yes man’ are two different things. ‘Same page’ is same direction, common end goal and vision. ‘Yes man’ means their goal and direction are irrelevant.

Very different in this regard.

Think of that like asean Payton saying he needed to find a “good fit”. It’s standard BS lol

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The Tyler Shough pick, hopefully shows the door to Derek Carr. So for that reason alone, I like the pick.

In terms of the player, Louisville fans are saying how much they liked him and how reliable a passer he is. So let's give Kellen a chance.

This is the highest we've drafted a QB in forever, so they obviously see something worthwhile. They've drafted him to start, so let's support him.

If he's rubbish, then we'll be drafting again, it's that simple. Let's just let Kellen build what he's trying to build first. This isn't an overnight fix, the team has too many holes, but the dude deserves some time.

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Anyone here would have to be appreciative of the lack of trading your future for the move up that doesn't work out

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Well one of the things AG is never going to admit is the horrible handling of the Carr situation. When Loomis did his annual kick the can down the road routine, he did it by guaranteeing Carr's salary without any restrictions. Now Carr doesn't have to pass a physical or play another down to get his entire contract.

So, yeah, on loomis

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Maybe not based on what other QBs were taken after. We'll find out soon enough why Shedeur is still sliding down the draft board.

I posted the Shough highlights in his own thread. His game vs Clemson was impressive. I think I read somewhere he runs a 4.43, not bad for a dude who's 6'5" 223lbs. He seems to be able to read and process quickly. I never heard of him until yesterday. Not that surprising in light of his unfortunate almost yearly bone breakage injury history. He had a solid season at Louisville, however. Are there not quality QBs from Louisville in the NFL right now? I guess we'll see if we stole him or not.

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Kurt Warner and Russell Wilson ? There's prolly more...

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Gunnar Helm, TE, UT
Cam Skattebo, RB, ASU
Miles Frazier, G, LSU

Guys that could help us in the 4th. I’m big on taking big ugly interior lineman in the mid rounds. I’m hoping we take a guard here.

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All three are good with me. Can we get the RB and the G both ?

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Sean Payton warns teams that passed on Shedeur Sanders in NFL draft

Why doesn't SP pick him I wonder?

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I hope the Saints grab either Kennard or Sawyer today. I think both of them will be solid players for years in the NFL. Definite value in round 4

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I've read that a major point of emphasis in interviews has been determining the "love" or "want" to play football. Many NIL kids lost their drive after making millions before their 21st birthday.

I'm not accusing Sanders of this, but the optics are there. The chains, the watches, the media appearances, the draft room set up...

The new mentality can be difficult to coach and today you need a good psychologist just as much as you need good scouts and coaches.

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I want the Saints to focus primarily on defense from now until the season starts but I wouldn't be upset if they picked Skattebo next.

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"Almost certainly" doesn't cut it if he was the one they had absolutely wanted.

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While not 26 Michael “Beerman” Lewis at the age of 30 should fit the criteria. :bng:

Starbauch was 27

A lot of age for a QB depends on what we are looking for. If we want someone like a Rothlesburger* or Newton that will get the sh1t beat out of them, then body age matters. If we are looking for a Brees where decision making matters the pre-frontal cortex (responsible for executive function) generally doesn’t reach full maturation till mid to late 20s (25-30).


Executive function= Task prioritization, decision making. When not functioning properly, it is what makes some people seem lazy.

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The problem about Shough that isn't an issue with these other examples is that he is being drafted based on the tape he put in at 25yo playing against 20yo kids.

Michael Lewis doesn't count because he was just a role player. His career wouldn't justify a #40 overall pick. Had Lewis been drafted #40 overall based on the tape he could put up at 29 against college kids, that would obviously have been a mistake.

Staubach was drafted based on what he did in college up to age 21, at the time they allowed redshirt juniors to be drafted and still play their senior year. He was drafted at 22 based on his play at 21, then played another year of college, 4 years in the military, and was a rookie at 27.

Kurt Warner was an UDFA at 23yo who didn't make the team, then played 3 years in the Arena league against men his own age, improved his skills, and made the best of another shot in the NFL. He proved his worth against players his age.

Warren Moon was a similar situation with the CFL.

Russell Wilson was 23yo as NFL rookie, and was drafted in the 3rd round. He also played 4 full seasons in college and won the starting job every season except his redshirt year.

Shough is more like Weinke or Weeden. Its not that he cannot succeed. I hope he succeeds. Its that you can't totally believe what you see on tape versus kids who are 5 years younger than him. We have to get lucky. There is no tape of Shough looking like an NFL QB against players his age, the last time he faced players his age he looked mediocre. I would feel better about Shough if he had declared for the draft 3 years ago, gone undrafted, went to the CFL or XFL, etc, won rings there, and we won a bidding war for his NFL services. Sam Darnold is only 21 months older than Shough.

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Also, for what its worth, maybe by drafting Texas players in the 1st and 3rd rounds the Saints are setting themselves up to recruit Arch Manning in a future draft. Lets say that Tyler Shough has to start and gets us the #1 overall pick. We still need Arch Manning to declare for the draft knowing the Saints have that pick, and not to pull an Eli regarding telling the Saints not to draft him. Having two former top Texas teammates already on the Saints should help with that recruiting. Its more awkward to say you can't ever go there when several of your respected college teammates are already on the team, unless they say bad things about it to him of course.

And yes, I get that Arch hasn't done anything extraordinary at the college level yet, just looked pretty good in limited time. But when I factor in his age and his competition (Ewers was the #1 overall recruit in the nation two years before Manning was), his unprecedented pedigree, his high school records, his size, and his speed, I am all in on Arch at this point. If the 2026 draft were today, I would take him #1 overall.

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Honestly, Bako, where do you come up with this goofy crap? :p

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If the Saints have a top pick next year and a need at QB, and Arch is a top QB in the draft, do you think it won't be discussed that the Saints took Texas players in the 1st and 3rd this year?

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The Louisville tape all year showed enough for most, against way better competition than what Colorado faced.

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https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8jvYG8T/

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/19...2F118424960%2F

Regarding Sanders, teams just don’t want to deal with this. You just don’t draft him, you draft the entire circus and the minute he’s on your team, it becomes a major distraction. What sf76 said also factors in. Quite a few analysts have shared the thought.

I’m waiting to be pleasantly surprised with Shough. I certainly don’t love the pick but some had him graded as the best quarterback in the draft. People tend to get caught up in “draft rankings” while in reality, teams don’t give a crap about how some media head ranks these players.

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Everything after Kelvin Banks has been questionable at best. Banks is going to be great. I have no doubt in my mind.

Tyler Shough is about to be given 2 or 3 years to prove Loomis right and then they'll be right back in the QB market. He's not an accurate QB. He's not an elite processor before the snap. He panics when he senses pressure. He's a lesser version of Derek Carr who couldn't light it up in the ACC as a 6th year senior. Most of the forum has never heard of him and has never watched a game of his because most fans don't watch football, they watch the team they like. I watched Shough. If you want to take a flyer on size and potential you take an athletic freak like Milroe. All the attempts to justify picking a guy like that in that spot that you haven't watched based on YouTube highlights and a synopsis of his strengths and weaknesses is crazy. The film. The injury history. The stats. Nothing about him says 2nd round pick.

Vernon Broughton is cool, but you take him over a big, athletic EDGE rusher like Landon Jackson who then goes the very next pick to a well run organization...the Buffalo Bills. Kaleb Johnson was still on the board. Savion Williams was still on the board. Emery Jones. What did we even draft? A 3-4 DE? A 4-3 DT? Is he going to be a 3-4 NT? There are several DT prospects still available....

Then there's Jonas Sanker. A young DB that's not being brought in to start for obvious reasons. A special teams draft pick. Is safety a pressing need for the Saints? I wouldn't say so. I can't pass much judgement on him. I didn't watch much of any VA football the last few years. Would have been a good time to trade drown and gather more picks for depth.

The vision for this team is blurry just as it is for the Pelicans and there are a few common denominators.

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I'm hoping the Saints keep their picks and have sleeper candidates particularly at RB, WR, CB and maybe LB. We'll need them.

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All valid points... I think they are also looking at quality at the point in the draft and the demand for that position and their needs going forward with what changes they plan on making for their new schemes. We'll see how it all works out with this new staff.

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I like what the Bills did right after with T.J. Sanders, DT, South Carolina. He would have been a major upgrade at that spot. Mason Taylor was still there. He's definitely a fan favorite. Alfred Collins was the better of the Texas defensive linemen and he was still there. Plus he's bigger and more versatile. Will Johnson, Elijah Arroyo, Tre Harris, Nic Scourton, Andrew Mukuba, etc. I believe there was so much more value there and QB's were never about to start flying off the boards. I'd argue Shough would have still been there in the 3rd where they took Broughton. I can't lie, this has been one of the most disappointing weekends of football for me in my entire life. This reminds me of Kevin Kolb.

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We got a linebacker from Oklahoma.

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Not liking what I'm reading about this LB. Summary on him says he's not a cover linebacker and misses tackles. WTF? Those are the things he's expected to do.