Derek Carr Retires

05-21-2025, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Wrong, Bako. HIPAA absolutely DOES apply to employers that maintain self-administered health plans such as NFL teams.

The Saints hid nothing from the public that they were obliged to share. They did verify info once Carr went public himself. Besides, the injury that contributed to Carr's decision to retire, according to Carr himself, was not discovered until after he began training for the new season. It was not known until he began throwing well after the end of last season.

But don't let accuracy stand in the way of your hatred of the Saints front office.

If HIPAA applies to teams, explain how teams get fined during the season for not disclosing injuries? Why cant they just claim the player preferred medical privacy? Do league rules supercede federal law? Whenever two coworkers chat about another coworker being out sick is that a federal crime? And how do we even know who leaked abiut Carr’s injury? Maybe it was the Saints.

AsylumGuido · 05-21-2025, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If HIPAA applies to teams, explain how teams get fined during the season for not disclosing injuries? Why cant they just claim the player preferred medical privacy? Do league rules supercede federal law? Whenever two coworkers chat about another coworker being out sick is that a federal crime? And how do we even know who leaked abiut Carr’s injury? Maybe it was the Saints.

Have you ever gone to the doctor and signed the form that asks with whom you want information shared? It is a standard waiver. I'm sure every player contract includes similar verbiage allowing limited information being shared with the league. As said, there could be HIPAA considerations depending upon where the information is coming from and whether it is PHI (Personal Health Information). HIPAA applies to healthcare providers (one thing you got right) AND health insurance concerns which includes self-insured health plans. While the team itself isn't subject to HPAA fines, any entity within the team umbrella (like a self-insured plan) that handles said PHI would be subject to those rules and those possible fines.

TheOak · 05-21-2025, 03:45 PM

The NFL is not covered by HIPAA for the injury report because HIPAA covers the Health Insurance (the HI is for insurance), and it is the Team releasing the injury not the Doctor or an insurance company. The NFL is self insured.

It is also in the Ts and Cs of every players contract, they sign it away, just like when I sign away that right to allow my wife access to my medical records.my wife is not bound by HIPAA and can share that information publicly like the NFL does.

AsylumGuido · 05-21-2025, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The NFL is not covered by HIPAA for the injury report because HIPAA covers the Health Insurance (the HI is for insurance), and it is the Team releasing the injury not the Doctor or an insurance company. The NFL is self insured.

It is also in the Ts and Cs of every players contract, they sign it away, just like when I sign away that right to allow my wife access to my medical records.my wife is not bound by HIPAA and can share that information publicly like the NFL does.

Correct! The league is self-insured, as are most teams for added coverage. The league and teams proper are not bound by HIPAA rules, but the internal entities handling the self-insurance are bound by them. The players do sign releases allowing the sharing of certain information under certain circumstances. Teams are required to share injury information to opposing teams during games and between games via the weekly injury reports. Beyond that I believe teams are not required to share any further or detailed information.

AsylumGuido · 05-21-2025, 05:04 PM

Here's the NFL's injury news sharing policy ...

https://operations.nfl.com/media/268...ort-policy.pdf

The intent is to provide full and complete information on player availability. It is NFL policy that information for dissemination to the public on all injured players be reported in a satisfactory manner by clubs to the league office, the opposing team, local and national media, and broadcast partners each game week of the regular season and postseason (including for the two Super Bowl teams between the Championship Games and Super Bowl).

Any injury information is only required during regular and postseason play. Any off-season sharing could be deemed counterproductive to the team. It is not in any way "need to know" information for fans and/or media.

If it makes some fans butthurt, so be it. I don't want my team sharing any info not specifically required by league rules.

Sinner · 05-23-2025, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Here's the NFL's injury news sharing policy ...

https://operations.nfl.com/media/268...ort-policy.pdf

The intent is to provide full and complete information on player availability. It is NFL policy that information for dissemination to the public on all injured players be reported in a satisfactory manner by clubs to the league office, the opposing team, local and national media, and broadcast partners each game week of the regular season and postseason (including for the two Super Bowl teams between the Championship Games and Super Bowl).

Any injury information is only required during regular and postseason play. Any off-season sharing could be deemed counterproductive to the team. It is not in any way "need to know" information for fans and/or media.

If it makes some fans butthurt, so be it. I don't want my team sharing any info not specifically required by league rules.

Raider Curbside Trash collected some big Saints cash, but now his @$$ is GONE.
Time for you to move on.

iceshack149 · 05-23-2025, 02:31 PM

AsylumGuido · 05-23-2025, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

It's off-season. Nothing else to do than beat dead horses.

Sinner · 05-23-2025, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It's off-season. Nothing else to do than beat dead horses.

He’s GONE. Now we can begin a “rebuild”. In a few more years, we might win our division!

jnormand · 05-23-2025, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It's off-season. Nothing else to do than beat dead horses.

At this point beating your meat probably accomplishes more.

05-21-2025, 01:21 PM	#61
Threaded by BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Wrong, Bako. HIPAA absolutely DOES apply to employers that maintain self-administered health plans such as NFL teams. The Saints hid nothing from the public that they were obliged to share. They did verify info once Carr went public himself. Besides, the injury that contributed to Carr's decision to retire, according to Carr himself, was not discovered until after he began training for the new season. It was not known until he began throwing well after the end of last season. But don't let accuracy stand in the way of your hatred of the Saints front office. If HIPAA applies to teams, explain how teams get fined during the season for not disclosing injuries? Why cant they just claim the player preferred medical privacy? Do league rules supercede federal law? Whenever two coworkers chat about another coworker being out sick is that a federal crime? And how do we even know who leaked abiut Carr’s injury? Maybe it was the Saints.
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05-21-2025, 02:06 PM	#62
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by BakoSaint If HIPAA applies to teams, explain how teams get fined during the season for not disclosing injuries? Why cant they just claim the player preferred medical privacy? Do league rules supercede federal law? Whenever two coworkers chat about another coworker being out sick is that a federal crime? And how do we even know who leaked abiut Carr’s injury? Maybe it was the Saints. Have you ever gone to the doctor and signed the form that asks with whom you want information shared? It is a standard waiver. I'm sure every player contract includes similar verbiage allowing limited information being shared with the league. As said, there could be HIPAA considerations depending upon where the information is coming from and whether it is PHI (Personal Health Information). HIPAA applies to healthcare providers (one thing you got right) AND health insurance concerns which includes self-insured health plans. While the team itself isn't subject to HPAA fines, any entity within the team umbrella (like a self-insured plan) that handles said PHI would be subject to those rules and those possible fines.
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05-21-2025, 03:45 PM	#63
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,049	Re: Derek Carr Retires The NFL is not covered by HIPAA for the injury report because HIPAA covers the Health Insurance (the HI is for insurance), and it is the Team releasing the injury not the Doctor or an insurance company. The NFL is self insured. It is also in the Ts and Cs of every players contract, they sign it away, just like when I sign away that right to allow my wife access to my medical records.my wife is not bound by HIPAA and can share that information publicly like the NFL does. AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.

05-21-2025, 04:28 PM	#64
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by TheOak The NFL is not covered by HIPAA for the injury report because HIPAA covers the Health Insurance (the HI is for insurance), and it is the Team releasing the injury not the Doctor or an insurance company. The NFL is self insured. It is also in the Ts and Cs of every players contract, they sign it away, just like when I sign away that right to allow my wife access to my medical records.my wife is not bound by HIPAA and can share that information publicly like the NFL does. Correct! The league is self-insured, as are most teams for added coverage. The league and teams proper are not bound by HIPAA rules, but the internal entities handling the self-insurance are bound by them. The players do sign releases allowing the sharing of certain information under certain circumstances. Teams are required to share injury information to opposing teams during games and between games via the weekly injury reports. Beyond that I believe teams are not required to share any further or detailed information.

05-21-2025, 05:04 PM	#65
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Re: Derek Carr Retires Here's the NFL's injury news sharing policy ... https://operations.nfl.com/media/268...ort-policy.pdf The intent is to provide full and complete information on player availability. It is NFL policy that information for dissemination to the public on all injured players be reported in a satisfactory manner by clubs to the league office, the opposing team, local and national media, and broadcast partners each game week of the regular season and postseason (including for the two Super Bowl teams between the Championship Games and Super Bowl). Any injury information is only required during regular and postseason play. Any off-season sharing could be deemed counterproductive to the team. It is not in any way "need to know" information for fans and/or media. If it makes some fans butthurt, so be it. I don't want my team sharing any info not specifically required by league rules.
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05-23-2025, 01:33 PM	#66
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,071	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Here's the NFL's injury news sharing policy ... https://operations.nfl.com/media/268...ort-policy.pdf The intent is to provide full and complete information on player availability. It is NFL policy that information for dissemination to the public on all injured players be reported in a satisfactory manner by clubs to the league office, the opposing team, local and national media, and broadcast partners each game week of the regular season and postseason (including for the two Super Bowl teams between the Championship Games and Super Bowl). Any injury information is only required during regular and postseason play. Any off-season sharing could be deemed counterproductive to the team. It is not in any way "need to know" information for fans and/or media. If it makes some fans butthurt, so be it. I don't want my team sharing any info not specifically required by league rules. Raider Curbside Trash collected some big Saints cash, but now his @$$ is GONE. Time for you to move on. K Major likes this.
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05-23-2025, 06:25 PM	#68
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by iceshack149 It's off-season. Nothing else to do than beat dead horses.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,071	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's off-season. Nothing else to do than beat dead horses. He’s GONE. Now we can begin a “rebuild”. In a few more years, we might win our division! bobdog86 and K Major like this.
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05-23-2025, 09:22 PM	#70
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,768	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's off-season. Nothing else to do than beat dead horses. At this point beating your meat probably accomplishes more.