Register All Albums FAQ Community Experience
Go Back   New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com > Main > Saints

Derek Carr Retires

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by hitta Carr was much better than you guys gave him credit for. The offensive line during his tenure was offensive. He didn't have playmakers in the offense. He was thrown into an impossible situation where no QB ...

Like Tree97Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-05-2025, 10:29 AM   #1
10000 POST CLUB
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Bossier City, LA
Posts: 26,755
Re: Derek Carr Retires

Originally Posted by hitta View Post
Carr was much better than you guys gave him credit for. The offensive line during his tenure was offensive. He didn't have playmakers in the offense. He was thrown into an impossible situation where no QB would have won. He got beat over and over by defensive lines. I believe that if he were healthy and put on a talented team, he would win. Most people here don't think that. As you see, he had a good heart as well. Most QBs would nickle and dime the **** out of us, but he didn't feel right doing it. His tenure was unfortunate cause he never had an offense around him and stayed hurt, but I believe he truly cared about how the Saints performed and the outcome of the franchise. He got a raw deal from the fan base, as he was turned into our scapegoat, and still, he did everything he could to help the team.
I agree completely, hitta.
AsylumGuido is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2025, 11:58 AM   #2
Hu Dat!
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 6,879
Blog Entries: 13
Re: Derek Carr Retires

Originally Posted by hitta View Post
Carr was much better than you guys gave him credit for. The offensive line during his tenure was offensive. He didn't have playmakers in the offense. He was thrown into an impossible situation where no QB would have won. He got beat over and over by defensive lines. I believe that if he were healthy and put on a talented team, he would win. Most people here don't think that. As you see, he had a good heart as well. Most QBs would nickle and dime the **** out of us, but he didn't feel right doing it. His tenure was unfortunate cause he never had an offense around him and stayed hurt, but I believe he truly cared about how the Saints performed and the outcome of the franchise. He got a raw deal from the fan base, as he was turned into our scapegoat, and still, he did everything he could to help the team.
Parts of this ring true, but a major portion of the blame has to go to Mickey and DA.

They overpaid for Carr and instantly made him a team captain. They treated him like Brees 2.0 out of the gate, which was unfair for all involved. DA coached and spoke with overt favoritism toward Carr, which hurt Carr's relations with both his teammates and the fans.

If they would've treated Carr similar to the non-descript way that Dalton was handled, a lot of misfortune and animosity could have been avoided. Instead, Mickey/DA put Carr in a situation where he was destined to be viewed in the worst light as problems arose. Only a special leader like Brees or Brady could've navigated all of this. Carr's not that kind of guy, and his interpersonal shortcomings got amplified.
neugey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2025, 12:28 PM   #3
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Mandeville, LA
Posts: 39,018
Blog Entries: 29
Re: Derek Carr Retires

Originally Posted by hitta View Post
Carr was much better than you guys gave him credit for. The offensive line during his tenure was offensive. He didn't have playmakers in the offense. He was thrown into an impossible situation where no QB would have won. He got beat over and over by defensive lines. I believe that if he were healthy and put on a talented team, he would win. Most people here don't think that. As you see, he had a good heart as well. Most QBs would nickle and dime the **** out of us, but he didn't feel right doing it. His tenure was unfortunate cause he never had an offense around him and stayed hurt, but I believe he truly cared about how the Saints performed and the outcome of the franchise. He got a raw deal from the fan base, as he was turned into our scapegoat, and still, he did everything he could to help the team.
Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
I disagree.

Carr made himself unlikeable by screaming at players like Olave, for his own mistakes.

He was constantly pointing fingers elsewhere. He gave credit to Dennis Allen for Darren Rizzi's first win, making wildly outlandish plays like throwing a ball randomly up in the air, on 2nd and 10, vs the chiefs for an interception we never recovered from.

Raiders fans pointed out how bad he was in the red zone and coincidentally that was the same here.

By all accounts, Saints reporter are saying that Carr actually asked for a pay rise before the retirement.

Dude basically got an unbelievable contract because the front office didn't properly plan for life after Brees and made the poor decision to hire Dennis Allen.
Originally Posted by neugey View Post
Parts of this ring true, but a major portion of the blame has to go to Mickey and DA.

They overpaid for Carr and instantly made him a team captain. They treated him like Brees 2.0 out of the gate, which was unfair for all involved. DA coached and spoke with overt favoritism toward Carr, which hurt Carr's relations with both his teammates and the fans.

If they would've treated Carr similar to the non-descript way that Dalton was handled, a lot of misfortune and animosity could have been avoided. Instead, Mickey/DA put Carr in a situation where he was destined to be viewed in the worst light as problems arose. Only a special leader like Brees or Brady could've navigated all of this. Carr's not that kind of guy, and his interpersonal shortcomings got amplified.
While Drew Brees continues to invest in the greater NOLA area, I don't think we've seen any from Derek Carr. It goes to just how much he really cares. What is it they say... actions speak louder than words?

jnormand and dizzle88 like this.

Last edited by SmashMouth; 06-05-2025 at 02:12 PM..
SmashMouth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2025, 08:39 PM   #4
1000 Posts +
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4,557
Re: Derek Carr Retires

Originally Posted by neugey View Post
Parts of this ring true, but a major portion of the blame has to go to Mickey and DA.

They overpaid for Carr and instantly made him a team captain. They treated him like Brees 2.0 out of the gate, which was unfair for all involved. DA coached and spoke with overt favoritism toward Carr, which hurt Carr's relations with both his teammates and the fans.

If they would've treated Carr similar to the non-descript way that Dalton was handled, a lot of misfortune and animosity could have been avoided. Instead, Mickey/DA put Carr in a situation where he was destined to be viewed in the worst light as problems arose. Only a special leader like Brees or Brady could've navigated all of this. Carr's not that kind of guy, and his interpersonal shortcomings got amplified.
Mickey and DA?

Remember it was good ole SEAN PAYTON hisself who "Anointed" DA to be his successor. I believe he did everything he could to undermine the franchise who gave him his "Big Break".

Don't forget Payton didn't want to live in New Orleans after seeing what Katrina had left him. He wanted to stay in "BIG D" and commute. Everything he did FOR THE SAINTS left the front office looking backward after he departed and didn't see the cliff he had steered the team toward prior to his "retirement" .

As for all the coaches and former players who went with him. They are now the O in the BRONCO REAR END AKA, Sean PaytOn!

"Your worst enemy, he reflected, was your own nervous system. At any moment the tension inside you was liable to translate itself into some visible symptom." Winston Smith
vpheughan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2025, 08:38 AM   #5
5000 POSTS! +
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Free State of Idaho
Posts: 5,781
Re: Derek Carr Retires

Originally Posted by vpheughan View Post
Mickey and DA?

Remember it was good ole SEAN PAYTON hisself who "Anointed" DA to be his successor. I believe he did everything he could to undermine the franchise who gave him his "Big Break".

Don't forget Payton didn't want to live in New Orleans after seeing what Katrina had left him. He wanted to stay in "BIG D" and commute. Everything he did FOR THE SAINTS left the front office looking backward after he departed and didn't see the cliff he had steered the team toward prior to his "retirement" .

As for all the coaches and former players who went with him. They are now the O in the BRONCO REAR END AKA, Sean PaytOn!
I read somewhere the SP wanted to come back after he ended his retirement and the FO said no and it pissed him off. Idk if that’s true or not. But I definitely read it somewhere.
jnormand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2025, 11:54 AM   #6
10000 POST CLUB
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 11,546
Re: Derek Carr Retires

I disagree.

Carr made himself unlikeable by screaming at players like Olave, for his own mistakes.

He was constantly pointing fingers elsewhere. He gave credit to Dennis Allen for Darren Rizzi's first win, making wildly outlandish plays like throwing a ball randomly up in the air, on 2nd and 10, vs the chiefs for an interception we never recovered from.

Raiders fans pointed out how bad he was in the red zone and coincidentally that was the same here.

By all accounts, Saints reporter are saying that Carr actually asked for a pay rise before the retirement.

Dude basically got an unbelievable contract because the front office didn't properly plan for life after Brees and made the poor decision to hire Dennis Allen.

Your bonehead creator picked a fine chapter to omit from your memory bank....let me ask you, does a machine like yourself ever experience fear? - Vegeta, DBZ
dizzle88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2025, 07:58 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 774
Re: Derek Carr Retires

I’m one of the few that agree that Carr is a very good QB. We saw evidence of it in the first 2 and a half games of last season. Before the O-line fell apart because of injuries, the team and Carr were playing at top-level, including nearly beating the eventual SB champs. This team, even with a JV O-line, was competitive in many games. In fact, if the one-score games go their way, they could have finished the regular season as good as 11-6.
mjf150 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2025, 08:49 AM   #8
5000 POSTS! +
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Free State of Idaho
Posts: 5,781
Re: Derek Carr Retires

Originally Posted by mjf150 View Post
I’m one of the few that agree that Carr is a very good QB. We saw evidence of it in the first 2 and a half games of last season. Before the O-line fell apart because of injuries, the team and Carr were playing at top-level, including nearly beating the eventual SB champs. This team, even with a JV O-line, was competitive in many games. In fact, if the one-score games go their way, they could have finished the regular season as good as 11-6.
The problem with Carr was not his skill set. He was a decent QB. He was just an awful leader. He didn’t take any accountability or responsibility for bad decisions. He was not good in the face of adversity. By no fault of his own, he was also paid an enormous amount of money and didn’t live up to it.

People like Carr believe that if they do their best, it’s because of them that the team wins. And it’s because of someone else that the team loses. It’s never his fault. In other words, he’s a good leader when the team is winning. But that’s it.
jnormand is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:44 AM.


Copyright 1997 - 2020 - BlackandGold.com
no new posts