Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers

08-11-2025, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Shough got the 2 min that Rattler deserved. Interesting who Kellen threw the softball to...

To your point about the o line mix (esp Radunz), it's difficult to judge true QB performance that I'm left feeling "incomplete" on both. Like I said, Rattler looked about the same has he did last year and I can see what they like about Shough.

I'm eager to see practice this week and preseason game 2 for how these two respond but as of now, this still feels like a team in need of a true #1 QB

The fact Shough got the 2-minute drill told me Moore really wants to play his guy. There's no reason not to get your potential starting QB some reps in a 2 minute situation. Especially when his previous drive didn't end all that great. I say end the competition and start Shough no matter what. Let him play. See what you got. You spent a 2nd rounder on him. Either he leads you to the promised land or you fall on your sword. He didn't draft Rattler and Rattler isn't doing enough to completely separate himself anyway.

K Major · 08-11-2025, 04:58 PM

No one has mentioned it but first rounder OT Kelvin Banks looks good.

Good mechanics & technique.

Banks and Fuaga could be nice bookends for years to come.

rezburna · 08-11-2025, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

No one has mentioned it but first rounder OT Kelvin Banks looks good.

Good mechanics & technique.

Banks and Fuaga could be nice bookends for years to come.

Tackle - Center - Tackle is a recipe for success. It's those Guards...

voodooido · 08-11-2025, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

Oh you still think Penning is going to be good?

Penning has improved greatly by moving to guard. He is our starting guard which means the coaches see him as the best on the team. He will be serviceable for sure. Lance will not

voodooido · 08-11-2025, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Shough got the 2 min that Rattler deserved. Interesting who Kellen threw the softball to...

To your point about the o line mix (esp Radunz), it's difficult to judge true QB performance that I'm left feeling "incomplete" on both. Like I said, Rattler looked about the same has he did last year and I can see what they like about Shough.

I'm eager to see practice this week and preseason game 2 for how these two respond but as of now, this still feels like a team in need of a true #1 QB

Why did Rattler “deserve” the 2 min drill? He didn’t do anything with the first 28 minutes

AsylumGuido · 08-11-2025, 05:41 PM

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SmashMouth · 08-11-2025, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The fact Shough got the 2-minute drill told me Moore really wants to play his guy. There's no reason not to get your potential starting QB some reps in a 2 minute situation. Especially when his previous drive didn't end all that great. I say end the competition and start Shough no matter what. Let him play. See what you got. You spent a 2nd rounder on him. Either he leads you to the promised land or you fall on your sword. He didn't draft Rattler and Rattler isn't doing enough to completely separate himself anyway.

Originally Posted by voodooido

Why did Rattler “deserve” the 2 min drill? He didn’t do anything with the first 28 minutes

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

https://twitter.com/SaintsForecast/s...10900524593215

Rattler got way more minutes.

Let's be fair and see what happens next game.

There is that school of thought that since Rattler had his opportunity last year and didn't look like a Purdy, his odds were uphill. Maybe that's why CKM wanted to hedge his bets in drafting Shough. That being said, y'all's assessment is prolly spot on. Rattler has not stuck out like a sore thumb, like Purdy did in his only opportunity.

I think it's the end as a Saint for Pretty Boy Haener. They'll keep Hunter Dekkers. I wish we'd just see him for a couple of drives in the next two games.

rezburna · 08-11-2025, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Why did Rattler “deserve” the 2 min drill? He didn’t do anything with the first 28 minutes

He deserved the opportunity to finish what he started. He earned that opportunity throughout the offseason. Shough was given the chance to throw double the amount of passes. The best throw of the night was Spencer Rattler to Bub Means on that out route. He also had 3 big scrambles. 2 that got us a 1st and another that put us at the 1 yard line. They score at the goal line with everything else remaining the same and this is a different convo. So nah, I wouldn't say he did nothing. He deserved the 2 minute drill for the same reason he deserved to start the game.

jtsaints · 08-11-2025, 08:24 PM

Here is the facts and I’m not biased either way. Rattler played the better D and ran for his life. Plus had 2 dropped balls. Shough had way more time and no dropped balls against a worse D. I don’t think we can judge on either. Both close. Put full O line in with legit wr and see what happens. And o the most important! zero run game. Top rb Rattler. Top 3 runs per carry. Our 3 qbs. Maybe blame the line for making them run for their lives!

SmashMouth · 08-11-2025, 09:34 PM

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Threaded by rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,184 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Shough got the 2 min that Rattler deserved. Interesting who Kellen threw the softball to... To your point about the o line mix (esp Radunz), it's difficult to judge true QB performance that I'm left feeling "incomplete" on both. Like I said, Rattler looked about the same has he did last year and I can see what they like about Shough. I'm eager to see practice this week and preseason game 2 for how these two respond but as of now, this still feels like a team in need of a true #1 QB The fact Shough got the 2-minute drill told me Moore really wants to play his guy. There's no reason not to get your potential starting QB some reps in a 2 minute situation. Especially when his previous drive didn't end all that great. I say end the competition and start Shough no matter what. Let him play. See what you got. You spent a 2nd rounder on him. Either he leads you to the promised land or you fall on your sword. He didn't draft Rattler and Rattler isn't doing enough to completely separate himself anyway. AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,882 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers No one has mentioned it but first rounder OT Kelvin Banks looks good. Good mechanics & technique. Banks and Fuaga could be nice bookends for years to come. turbo_dog, Crusader, leilung and 3 others like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,184	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Originally Posted by K Major No one has mentioned it but first rounder OT Kelvin Banks looks good. Good mechanics & technique. Banks and Fuaga could be nice bookends for years to come. Tackle - Center - Tackle is a recipe for success. It's those Guards... SmashMouth likes this.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,860	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Shough got the 2 min that Rattler deserved. Interesting who Kellen threw the softball to... To your point about the o line mix (esp Radunz), it's difficult to judge true QB performance that I'm left feeling "incomplete" on both. Like I said, Rattler looked about the same has he did last year and I can see what they like about Shough. I'm eager to see practice this week and preseason game 2 for how these two respond but as of now, this still feels like a team in need of a true #1 QB Why did Rattler “deserve” the 2 min drill? He didn’t do anything with the first 28 minutes SmashMouth likes this.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,197 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Originally Posted by rezburna The fact Shough got the 2-minute drill told me Moore really wants to play his guy. There's no reason not to get your potential starting QB some reps in a 2 minute situation. Especially when his previous drive didn't end all that great. I say end the competition and start Shough no matter what. Let him play. See what you got. You spent a 2nd rounder on him. Either he leads you to the promised land or you fall on your sword. He didn't draft Rattler and Rattler isn't doing enough to completely separate himself anyway. Originally Posted by voodooido Why did Rattler “deserve” the 2 min drill? He didn’t do anything with the first 28 minutes Originally Posted by AsylumGuido https://twitter.com/SaintsForecast/s...10900524593215 Rattler got way more minutes. Let's be fair and see what happens next game. There is that school of thought that since Rattler had his opportunity last year and didn't look like a Purdy, his odds were uphill. Maybe that's why CKM wanted to hedge his bets in drafting Shough. That being said, y'all's assessment is prolly spot on. Rattler has not stuck out like a sore thumb, like Purdy did in his only opportunity. I think it's the end as a Saint for Pretty Boy Haener. They'll keep Hunter Dekkers. I wish we'd just see him for a couple of drives in the next two games.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,184	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Originally Posted by voodooido Why did Rattler “deserve” the 2 min drill? He didn’t do anything with the first 28 minutes He deserved the opportunity to finish what he started. He earned that opportunity throughout the offseason. Shough was given the chance to throw double the amount of passes. The best throw of the night was Spencer Rattler to Bub Means on that out route. He also had 3 big scrambles. 2 that got us a 1st and another that put us at the 1 yard line. They score at the goal line with everything else remaining the same and this is a different convo. So nah, I wouldn't say he did nothing. He deserved the 2 minute drill for the same reason he deserved to start the game. leilung likes this.
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jtsaints 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 148	Re: Observations from the Saints' Preseason Game vs Chargers Here is the facts and I’m not biased either way. Rattler played the better D and ran for his life. Plus had 2 dropped balls. Shough had way more time and no dropped balls against a worse D. I don’t think we can judge on either. Both close. Put full O line in with legit wr and see what happens. And o the most important! zero run game. Top rb Rattler. Top 3 runs per carry. Our 3 qbs. Maybe blame the line for making them run for their lives! leilung and SmashMouth like this.
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