Where's Saintz08?

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-07-2003, 02:53 PM

LummOx,

The bottom line is this....

No matter how good of a job any EMPLOYEE does, if they have any sense at all, before they make a big decision, it would be a good idea and common sense to get the ok from the BOSS.

They might be better than the owner at what they do, but, to isolate an owner from major decisions will get you right were Mueller is today..... UNEMPLOYED

[Edited on 7/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

saint5221 · 08-07-2003, 02:54 PM

Actually, you are confusing the issue. Trading Ricky got Mueller into some hot water, not signing a multi-million dollar deal. He made a change at the RB position. And let me explain my position a little better. Multi-million dollar companies rely on me to provide them with mission critical equipment, that could easily effect the companies stability. If something has been discontinued (read traded), it is my job to make sure that a replacement is found and integrated into the configuration so that the company does not miss a beat. Quality of product is #1. Turnaround time is #2. If I had to report every change to my customer, I would lose a ton of hours and money, and it wouldn\'t be significant for my customer, ie, they respect me enough to make changes for the betterment of the company. My choices can make or break the financial security of many of them. So I really don\'t see much difference. Please correct me if I am wrong.

My point was\'nt to speak to your job and its responsibilities and how it is analogous to the Mueller situation. But mearly to say Benson did\'nt like not being told what was going on.

saintz08 · 08-07-2003, 03:48 PM

Doug Williams ??? In his prime he was wearing a bullseye on his Buc\'s jersey .

For a number 2 quarterback , Bouman has proven he can play in his prime , he holds a club records in Minnesota , had the confidence from his coaching staff for them to bench an ineffective Daunte Culpepper ( this alone too me seems a miracle , considering last season) and has a cap friendly contract . Now considering the starting quarterback for the New Orleans Saints is a former #3 pine rider in Green Bay , I say things are looking up .

In a day when trades seem a thing of the past and free agency is the hot ticket , for the Saints management to go out and get a player like Bouman , who brings his talent , experience , knowledge ( especially of who his former team is going to pick )and is cap friendly for the position , I am impressed ............

saintfan · 08-07-2003, 03:51 PM

They\'re so confident they signed him to a ONE year deal.

WhoDat · 08-07-2003, 03:59 PM

He played good for a few games........so what.

Sounds like Aaron Brooks to me... that statement could directly apply to Brooks... or how about this name - Jim \"Chris\" (Ha Ha) Everett - who holds Saints passing records for most pasing yards in a single game (480) and most passing yards in a season (3800 & 3700 - Brooks is 3rd at 3500). The Bouman trade might not have been the best trade this group has made, but it was a good one. Judging Bouman by his limited performance is no different then what all of you Brooks lovers did last preseason when you screamed for him to start instead of Blake.

You know what, I did it too - but that doesn\'t change the fact that your opinion then was based on as little information as 08 is saying now.

Or all of you guys who think the T. Jones trade was so great. How is that different?

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-07-2003, 04:01 PM

For a number 2 quarterback , Bouman has proven he can play in his prime , he holds a club records in Minnesota , had the confidence from his coaching staff for them to bench an ineffective Daunte Culpepper ( this alone too me seems a miracle , considering last season) and has a cap friendly contract . Now considering the starting quarterback for the New Orleans Saints is a former #3 pine rider in Green Bay , I say things are looking up .

saintz08,

I\'m having a little trouble fitting all the peices together in your logical jig saw puzzle.

Let\'s go with facts here. First, Bouman has proven he can have a few good games. Nothing more. Nothing less. If he had proven everything that you claim, then the Vikings are damn fools for getting rid of such a rare talent. Now I\'m not saying he doesn\'t have potential to be as great as you say, but as the old saying goes: Potential means you haven\'t done it yet.

Now the hardest part of the puzzle you presented me was comparing Brooks status as a 3rd string QB from Green Bay to Bouman being a back-up for the Vikes, and then going on to tell me that because of that, things are looking up in New Orleans.

Do you have a sledge hammer, I\'m going to need it if I\'m ever going to get the peices to fit..........

[Edited on 7/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-07-2003, 04:11 PM

Judging Bouman by his limited performance is no different then what all of you Brooks lovers did last preseason when you screamed for him to start instead of Blake.

WhoDat,

I don\'t want you to be left out of my wrath so....................

Again, lets stick with facts here.

Aaron Brooks came in off the bench and led the Saints to their first playoff win in history. Has Bouman done this for the Vikings or the Saints? NO!!

Now I know your going to say I\'m nit-picking, but there is a hell of difference here.

Haslett would have been a damn fool to put Blake back in the following season and if he would have he would have probably been fired if things didn\'t go well.

[Edited on 7/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

saintfan · 08-07-2003, 05:39 PM

...and the debate rages on. Quite simply those of us pro Brooks folks are that way becase we recognize what the man brings to the table. We realize it takes time to develop and we\'re willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Those on the other side of the fence are frustrated, in part, because they thought someone else should have been given the job. It matters not that the someone else in question had numerous oppurtunities to win the job long before (and while) Brooks ever put on a Saints Uniform. They counter by saying Haz favors Brooks. Well, Haz wasn\'t the only guy who decided not to start this \"someone else\". That doesn\'t matter tho...not to those anti-Brooks folks. They won\'t acknowledge that fact cause it makes sense, and there\'s no way to counter it...not and make any real sense anyway.

Statistics won\'t prove anything either way. I can tell \'em how many records Brooks has set or will set as a Saints QB and all they\'ll do is tell me the records he\'s breaking weren\'t set by anyone that mattered. I can talk to \'em about all the TD\'s and they\'ll start screaming about the completion percentage. Don\'t dare bring up dropped passes in that debate either, cause they won\'t hear it (again, no real way to counter that). They won\'t see what\'s right in front of their collective face because the REAL reason they dis Brooks has very little to do with his performance on the field. Sure, Aaron has room for improvement, but how can you dislike a guy so much when his stats don\'t warrant it? You can do that when what you\'re REALLY pissed about has nothing to do with the stats and/or the play on the field.

saintz08 · 08-07-2003, 05:46 PM

Billy - no sledge hammer needed here .

Brooks - 3rd string pine rider , traded to New Orleans for a third round pick

Bouman - 2nd string player with previous gametime N.F.L. experience and record holder for the Vikings , with a few wins under his belt , traded to New Orleans for a 6th round selection.

Saints got more for less ....

Now with Gandy on the left side trying to keep up with Rice for 2 games , who knows what happens .

Just for you Saintsfan :

The Saints most likely signed Bouman to a 1 year contract , in an attempt not to hurt Brooks fragile ego .........

saintfan · 08-07-2003, 05:50 PM

Just makin\' it up as you go along eh? Like I said earlier, I love a good fight. I expect this one to last a few games at least.

08-07-2003, 02:53 PM	#41
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Where's Saintz08? LummOx, The bottom line is this.... No matter how good of a job any EMPLOYEE does, if they have any sense at all, before they make a big decision, it would be a good idea and common sense to get the ok from the BOSS. They might be better than the owner at what they do, but, to isolate an owner from major decisions will get you right were Mueller is today..... UNEMPLOYED [Edited on 7/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

08-07-2003, 02:54 PM	#42
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	Where's Saintz08? Actually, you are confusing the issue. Trading Ricky got Mueller into some hot water, not signing a multi-million dollar deal. He made a change at the RB position. And let me explain my position a little better. Multi-million dollar companies rely on me to provide them with mission critical equipment, that could easily effect the companies stability. If something has been discontinued (read traded), it is my job to make sure that a replacement is found and integrated into the configuration so that the company does not miss a beat. Quality of product is #1. Turnaround time is #2. If I had to report every change to my customer, I would lose a ton of hours and money, and it wouldn\'t be significant for my customer, ie, they respect me enough to make changes for the betterment of the company. My choices can make or break the financial security of many of them. So I really don\'t see much difference. Please correct me if I am wrong. My point was\'nt to speak to your job and its responsibilities and how it is analogous to the Mueller situation. But mearly to say Benson did\'nt like not being told what was going on.
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598

08-07-2003, 03:48 PM	#43
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Where's Saintz08? Doug Williams ??? In his prime he was wearing a bullseye on his Buc\'s jersey . For a number 2 quarterback , Bouman has proven he can play in his prime , he holds a club records in Minnesota , had the confidence from his coaching staff for them to bench an ineffective Daunte Culpepper ( this alone too me seems a miracle , considering last season) and has a cap friendly contract . Now considering the starting quarterback for the New Orleans Saints is a former #3 pine rider in Green Bay , I say things are looking up . In a day when trades seem a thing of the past and free agency is the hot ticket , for the Saints management to go out and get a player like Bouman , who brings his talent , experience , knowledge ( especially of who his former team is going to pick )and is cap friendly for the position , I am impressed ............
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

08-07-2003, 03:51 PM	#44
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Where's Saintz08? They\'re so confident they signed him to a ONE year deal.

08-07-2003, 03:59 PM	#45
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Where's Saintz08? He played good for a few games........so what. Sounds like Aaron Brooks to me... that statement could directly apply to Brooks... or how about this name - Jim \"Chris\" (Ha Ha) Everett - who holds Saints passing records for most pasing yards in a single game (480) and most passing yards in a season (3800 & 3700 - Brooks is 3rd at 3500). The Bouman trade might not have been the best trade this group has made, but it was a good one. Judging Bouman by his limited performance is no different then what all of you Brooks lovers did last preseason when you screamed for him to start instead of Blake. You know what, I did it too - but that doesn\'t change the fact that your opinion then was based on as little information as 08 is saying now. Or all of you guys who think the T. Jones trade was so great. How is that different?
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08-07-2003, 04:01 PM	#46
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Where's Saintz08? For a number 2 quarterback , Bouman has proven he can play in his prime , he holds a club records in Minnesota , had the confidence from his coaching staff for them to bench an ineffective Daunte Culpepper ( this alone too me seems a miracle , considering last season) and has a cap friendly contract . Now considering the starting quarterback for the New Orleans Saints is a former #3 pine rider in Green Bay , I say things are looking up . saintz08, I\'m having a little trouble fitting all the peices together in your logical jig saw puzzle. Let\'s go with facts here. First, Bouman has proven he can have a few good games. Nothing more. Nothing less. If he had proven everything that you claim, then the Vikings are damn fools for getting rid of such a rare talent. Now I\'m not saying he doesn\'t have potential to be as great as you say, but as the old saying goes: Potential means you haven\'t done it yet. Now the hardest part of the puzzle you presented me was comparing Brooks status as a 3rd string QB from Green Bay to Bouman being a back-up for the Vikes, and then going on to tell me that because of that, things are looking up in New Orleans. Do you have a sledge hammer, I\'m going to need it if I\'m ever going to get the peices to fit.......... [Edited on 7/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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08-07-2003, 04:11 PM	#47
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Where's Saintz08? Judging Bouman by his limited performance is no different then what all of you Brooks lovers did last preseason when you screamed for him to start instead of Blake. WhoDat, I don\'t want you to be left out of my wrath so.................... Again, lets stick with facts here. Aaron Brooks came in off the bench and led the Saints to their first playoff win in history. Has Bouman done this for the Vikings or the Saints? NO!! Now I know your going to say I\'m nit-picking, but there is a hell of difference here. Haslett would have been a damn fool to put Blake back in the following season and if he would have he would have probably been fired if things didn\'t go well. [Edited on 7/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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08-07-2003, 05:39 PM	#48
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Where's Saintz08? ...and the debate rages on. Quite simply those of us pro Brooks folks are that way becase we recognize what the man brings to the table. We realize it takes time to develop and we\'re willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Those on the other side of the fence are frustrated, in part, because they thought someone else should have been given the job. It matters not that the someone else in question had numerous oppurtunities to win the job long before (and while) Brooks ever put on a Saints Uniform. They counter by saying Haz favors Brooks. Well, Haz wasn\'t the only guy who decided not to start this \"someone else\". That doesn\'t matter tho...not to those anti-Brooks folks. They won\'t acknowledge that fact cause it makes sense, and there\'s no way to counter it...not and make any real sense anyway. Statistics won\'t prove anything either way. I can tell \'em how many records Brooks has set or will set as a Saints QB and all they\'ll do is tell me the records he\'s breaking weren\'t set by anyone that mattered. I can talk to \'em about all the TD\'s and they\'ll start screaming about the completion percentage. Don\'t dare bring up dropped passes in that debate either, cause they won\'t hear it (again, no real way to counter that). They won\'t see what\'s right in front of their collective face because the REAL reason they dis Brooks has very little to do with his performance on the field. Sure, Aaron has room for improvement, but how can you dislike a guy so much when his stats don\'t warrant it? You can do that when what you\'re REALLY pissed about has nothing to do with the stats and/or the play on the field.
	C'mon Man...

08-07-2003, 05:46 PM	#49
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Where's Saintz08? Billy - no sledge hammer needed here . Brooks - 3rd string pine rider , traded to New Orleans for a third round pick Bouman - 2nd string player with previous gametime N.F.L. experience and record holder for the Vikings , with a few wins under his belt , traded to New Orleans for a 6th round selection. Saints got more for less .... Now with Gandy on the left side trying to keep up with Rice for 2 games , who knows what happens . Just for you Saintsfan : The Saints most likely signed Bouman to a 1 year contract , in an attempt not to hurt Brooks fragile ego .........
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

08-07-2003, 05:50 PM	#50
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Where's Saintz08? Just makin\' it up as you go along eh? Like I said earlier, I love a good fight. I expect this one to last a few games at least.

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