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Old 08-06-2003, 10:14 AM   #11
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what u mean \"the man is back\" is back?
I NEVER LEFT
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Old 08-06-2003, 10:46 AM   #12
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Damn,, I thought I was talking about me? LOL.
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Old 08-06-2003, 11:05 AM   #13
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I agree this is pretty funny stuff .

\"That\'s pretty funny stuff, but why would Haslett have to lie about Brooks? He didn\'t need our permission to play Brooks. \"

The real amazement is he did lie . Haslett did not have to bring the media in and run hours of film to prove Brooks was not the sole responsibility for the loses with his injury , but he did .

Hey Saintsfan , good too see you are around and still working the P.R. thing , funny thought , both Delhomme and Bulger had better ratings then Brooks last year .

When report after report come out of Airline Drive stating that the team has lost something or is being disturbed by something , you have to wonder about leadership . Has Haslett finally gotten rid of all the Pro Bowl trouble makers on the Saints ??

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Old 08-06-2003, 11:13 AM   #14
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saintz08-Maybe this will clear it up for you.



Posted on Fri, Jan. 03, 2003

ANALYSIS
Don\'t blame it all on Brooks

Aaron Brooks is not the worst quarterback in the NFL.

Aaron Brooks is not the reason the Saints lost to the Carolina Panthers on Sunday...

I never heard the cell phone ring.

That\'s what happens when you try to call a sportswriter at 7 o\'clock Tuesday morning after the final game of the season.

I didn\'t even get out of bed when my home phone rang about 20 minutes later. It was the head of the New Orleans Saints\' media relations department inviting me to a film-study session with coach Jim Haslett.

Sounded interesting, but it was rainy and miserable outside. I went to bed late and thought this was going to be a class like one I\'d suggested a couple of weeks before the end of the season, one that would give the coaches a chance to teach us lowly wretches a thing or two about the game of football.

Valuable stuff, to be sure, but I didn\'t see a big sense of urgency in getting over to New Orleans.

Until the phone rang again. \"Haz really wants you guys to come over for this. It\'ll be worth your while.\"

A quick shower and a 90-minute road trip later, a group of seven media members were escorted into the inner sanctum of the Saints\' practice facility.

Haslett greeted us, somewhat grumpily, by saying he wasn\'t going to defend Aaron Brooks. Of course, we knew that\'s what was going to happen, but he told us we would sit in the quarterbacks\' meeting room with offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy and quarterbacks coach Mike Sheppard.

Over the next couple of hours, they broke down every offensive snap during the Saints\' season-ending, and season-crushing 10-6 loss to the Panthers. They showed us what was supposed to happen, what did happen and why there was a difference between the two.

In short, it was a fascinating look at the inner workings of an NFL team, virtually unprecedented stuff in the sometimes contentious world between professional sports coaches and the reporters who cover them.

McCarthy and Sheppard gave us a crash course in the Saints offense. They answered questions, the smart ones and not-so-smart ones, and answered them all well.

When somebody screwed up, they didn\'t try to hide it. They weren\'t out to crucify anyone, but it was a remarkably frank look at what went on during that game, a game where the vaunted Saints offense didn\'t cross the goal line once.

You have to trust me on this one, folks.

Aaron Brooks didn\'t play that badly.

Did he play great? Probably not, but you can\'t pin the loss on him when you see all the evidence and see it over and over again in the coaches\' tape.

• A wide receiver runs a sloppy route and doesn\'t create the necessary separation to squeeze a pass in. Another lines up in the slot 3 yards too wide, letting a safety cover him and the two wideouts to the same side more easily.

• The offensive line screws up pass protection and leaves Brooks with a defender tearing into the offensive backfield with bad intentions on his mind.

• A running back misses a blitz pickup, leaving Brooks to scramble for his life.

One of those came on the Saints\' final offensive play of the game. You remember: the one where 66,000 folks at the Superdome saw Jake Reed wide open toward the end zone. Everybody saw it but Brooks, and you were left wondering if Jake Delhomme would have even been able to scramble long enough to throw the final interception (when a receiver failed to come back up the sideline for the pass and let a cornerback undercut him and get the game-ending interception).

• Brooks air-mailing one throw when he was indecisive on a read, but being on the mark for the vast majority of his throws. There were a total of seven drops during the game, including a pair that could have drastically changed momentum early.

It was a real eye-opener, to be sure. Listen to Haslett and the coaches after a game and during the week and you wonder if it\'s just them trying to protect their decision to invest all that money and time in Brooks.

See it in the coaches\' film (you know, the views that Ron Jaworski says nobody can hide in) and you believe it.

Really.

There was no exchange of vast quantities of unmarked bills.

I think all of us, including three beat writers from the New Orleans paper, one from Baton Rouge, radio icon Buddy D. and radio play-by-play announcer Jim Henderson, were swayed by the presentation.

It ended with Haslett talking about trying to break the cycle of bad Saints football. It\'s the one that says when things go badly, change quarterbacks.

He points to the Mike Ditka years, when quarterbacks were changed more often than Osama bin Laden changes caves. Haslett thinks quarterback roulette is a destabilizing strategy, and he\'s right.

My paycheck comes from The Sun Herald, not Tom Benson.

It\'s not a beat writer\'s job to help the team he\'s covering. He\'s supposed to be objective. Our job is to praise where appropriate and criticize where needed.

To criticize Aaron Brooks and Aaron Brooks alone in this case is neither appropriate nor necessary.

Does he need some help in the leadership category? Undoubtedly.

Should he learn not to smile on the field after something goes wrong, and instead chuck a helmet or two on the sidelines in disgust? Absolutely.

Those who know Brooks well say he\'s as competitive as anybody they know. He\'s not the world\'s best communicator with the fans (through the media) but he\'s more than capable of running an offense.

Brooks has a lot he can do to help himself, things that can help get the fans off his back.

Ultimately, everyone knows that will happen when (OK, and if, for all you doubters) the Saints finish better than 9-7.

That\'s what will elevate Brooks up the ladder of the NFL\'s signal-callers.

But right now, Aaron Brooks is far from the worst quarterback in the NFL.


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Old 08-06-2003, 11:32 AM   #15
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Welcome back Saintz08!!!!!! :yltype:
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Old 08-06-2003, 11:44 AM   #16
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1 at bat. 1 hit. Batting average 1.000, but that don\'t make me a hall of famer. Brooks is gonna rock your world this year \"08\". LOL
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Old 08-06-2003, 02:51 PM   #17
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So what you are saying Saintsfan is that Brooks is going to hit Stallworth instride on a streak or fly pattern for 6 . Instride now , no stalling to comeback for lame duck passes and no turn on the jets finger tip catches .Just a fly and bye in perfect rythym .

I will be waiting .........

Billy , I read that article when it was written . Personally chatted with a reporter at that meeting and posted those results on B and G , he himself was not willing to say it was not all smoke and mirrors . The simple fact Haslett had to pull that manuever off , shows there was a problem . Bare minimum coaching ......

Rough read on the whole thing , late season collapse . Haslett : It is not Brooks fault see I can show you film , It is the other players fault , wait it\'s the fans fault , hmmm , how about Turley , that who is too blame Turley ......

Simple answer to the late season collapses , Brooks throwing technique .
Defenses cheat up looking for the slant and stop routes , making it harder for Duece to get out of the backfield , more men in the box make it harder for Brooks to find an open target leading to lineman having to hold blocks longer , henceforth frustrated linemen . By the season end , teams realize Brooks deepball is a joke and almost defy him to throw it .


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Old 08-06-2003, 02:55 PM   #18
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See, the thing is...

That big long speech on why Brooks was not at fault in the Carolina game takes the focus off the week before.

Was Brooks also totally not at fault in the Bengals game as well? How about at Minnesota? How about the second game against Atlanta? A win in any one of those would have gotten us into the playoffs.

Call it hindsight all you want, but it isn\'t hindsight. It was seen then. Play your magic tricks all you want, I\'m watching the left hand as well as the right. Follow all you want, believe all the propaganda you want. Brooks needed to sit down. NOT be replaced as the starter, but he needed to sit down.


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Old 08-06-2003, 03:01 PM   #19
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Simple answer to the late season collapses , Brooks throwing technique .
Defenses cheat up looking for the slant and stop routes , making it harder for Duece to get out of the backfield , more men in the box make it harder for Brooks to find an open target leading to lineman having to hold blocks longer , henceforth frustrated linemen . By the season end , teams realize Brooks deepball is a joke and almost defy him to throw it
Now that I will agree with.

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Old 08-06-2003, 03:17 PM   #20
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To me, the only decision that openly displayed a failure to achieve success was the release of Randy Mueller as GM. You hire a guy to run your company, he makes solid decisions and basically earns the praise of his peers around the league for his achievements in a short term, and then you axe him because he didn\'t get authorization for some of his purchases.
Good point. The only reason I can come up with as to why he hasn\'t already been hired by another team is that the owner\'s that have needed to fill the GM position the past couple of years are \"good ole boys\" with Benson.
I will say this about Benson, I will always have respect for the man, no matter what anyone else says, as long as he keeps the team in New Orleans. Owning a team in NO is not like owning a larger market team, I can assure you.
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