Saints defense has actually played well...

yasoon · 11-22-2005, 04:12 PM

You are not smart.

Yeah...that Tom Brady guy is not very good. The Dolphins scored 19 points against us....big deal, we scored 6. Don't even bring up GB or we'll have to talk about that pick your assmate threw to get the game going. The Falcons game, the d gave up 20 points, including the 7 that Brooks gave them with that pick inside the 20.

This is not an excuse, you twit, it is called analysis.

Why don't you turn your laser focus on some of the defenses we have faced and the corresponding fantastic results. Is the GB D a juggernaut? 3 points....our offense gave up 14. Miami is decent. 6 points. The Rams? 17 points. You wanna talk about NE being depleted? Look at their defense. 17 points.

I have so had it with your moronic statements. You and Euph need to go get a room, cover the walls in AB posters, put on your # 2 codpieces, and watch video of the 45-7 victory against the Giants practice squad defense until you have each achieved peak arousal.

Come get some.

yasoon · 11-22-2005, 04:28 PM

Well, your defense of AB is an underlying theme of all your posts. I never said it was good that they got burnt on play action. The D did not play good on Sunday, but it's not like 24 points is alot.....is it? I mean is it?

And i won't even get into trying to decipher your other bastardizations of our language.....I'll just go jump off a cliff.

I'll tell you what....why do you get lost? So there.....Nyaaaaah

You're funny

BlackandBlue · 11-22-2005, 05:22 PM

Lessee,

The Saints' defense is currently ranked 12th in the league in yards allowed per game with 309. Not bad.
The Bears are ranked 1st, with 252.1 yards allowed per game.

The Saints' run defense is abysmal, giving up 138.6 yards per game. So we have some problems up the middle? Nothing new.

The Saints' passing defense is ranked 3rd in the NFL, giving up only 170.4 yards per game. That's pretty good. To think, a few years ago we were all worried about the defensive backfield.

The Saints' are ranked 28th in the league in points allowed per game with 26.6. I wonder if that had anything to do with turnovers. Hmmmm....

Let's look at the offense

16th in the league in yards per game. Average.

12th in the league in yards per game rushing. We're doing pretty good in that department, considering we lost our star back for the year.

17th in the league in yards per game passing. Eh....not overly bad, not overly good.

26th in the league in points scored per game. Why can't we punch it in? Turnovers, maybe?

Hey, wait....we're ranked first in something....

The Saints' rank 1st in total turnovers, 13 interceptions & 14 fumbles for a total of 27.
Whoa! Don't slip up or get got! (Why not man?)
I'm comin for that number one spot! (Alright)

Where did they all come from???

So in summary, we have multiple problems. We can't stop the run (defense), penalties, an off-again on-again kicker, and a boneheaded QB that a select few feel the need to protect at all costs.

Nothing like being a Saints' fan!!!

Tobias-Reiper · 11-22-2005, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

Well, your defense of AB is an underlying theme of all your posts. I never said it was good that they got burnt on play action. The D did not play good on Sunday, but it's not like 24 points is alot.....is it? I mean is it?

And i won't even get into trying to decipher your other bastardizations of our language.....I'll just go jump off a cliff.

I'll tell you what....why do you get lost? So there.....Nyaaaaah

You're funny

Here again little what defense of AB? show me where I defended AB...

I thought so, 24 points 3 point, 6 points... The purpose of this tread was the defense was fine as far as some saw???

The defense is horrible still, against the bangged up Pat's without their star team, without Dillon and a slew of others our defense was taken apart. Same at Greenbay, Minnesota, NewYork, on and on and on...

Go ahead now and say how the offense didn't do this or that, when has the defense won a game for this team in the past 5 years? Offenses struggle, their supposed to! LSU offense struggles, leads the SEC in coughing it up, they're only with 1 loss...

You can name any team in the NFL, their offenses struggle for weeks out of the season(plural)...

...man, really, stop embarassing yourself...

hint: the Pats' DEFENSE is what's depleted, not the offense, especially THE SECONDARY!! You waned the Saints defense to exploit the Pat's secondary???

hint: the Packers' DEFENSE is in shambles...

hint: how many games have you seen a team won when the commit 5-6 offensive turnovers?

..seriously, man. Stop embarassing yourself...

BlackandBlue · 11-23-2005, 07:21 AM

So, we shouldn't make any judgements based on rankings and we need to rebuild this team, ignoring the offense, and build a defense and special teams that will score enough points to win us games.

OK, I think I got it now

TheGambler · 11-23-2005, 08:58 AM

BlackOnBlack,

I, too, feel that the Saints's D is more of a liablity than their 12th-place overall ranking indicates. And I also feel that far too much CREDIT is being given by some folks here to the defense. But I don't see this defense as being "horrible". Both sides deserve their fair share of blame for our poor record.

Tobias-Reiper · 11-23-2005, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by TheGambler

BlackOnBlack,

I, too, feel that the Saints's D is more of a liablity than their 12th-place overall ranking indicates. And I also feel that far too much CREDIT is being given by some folks here to the defense. But I don't see this defense as being "horrible". Both sides deserve their fair share of blame for our poor record.

..well, ain't that sweet...
..what do you mean too much credit? It's not too much credit, is just pointing out the obvious..

... so, scoring 10, 3, 6, 16 points in 4 games, that's not a liability...

.. so, turning the ball over 28 times, tops in the NFL, 11 times in 2 games, that don't count...

... so failing to convert on 3rd down is not a liabilty ( including going 2 for 24 in a span of 2 games) that's minutia...

... so, scoring 16 TD's in 10 games, that's the defense's fault... they ought to "take it to the house" couple of times a game...

... so, not scoring any points off turnovers by the opposition, who cares?

..the more I see the games' results, the more than "adequate" the defense looks to me, and the worse the offense looks...

"

...

TheGambler · 11-23-2005, 11:02 AM

I guess I stuttered when I said BOTH SIDES deserved their fair share of the blame....

We're not talking about the situation that the Baltimore Ravens always seem to have......where the defense is always adequate or superior while the offense just bumbles along.................we're talking about a situation where the defense CONTRIBUTES to costing us games by allowing long drives, committing stupid penalties, giving up too many big plays, and breaking down at critical moments when we need a stoppage., and the OFFENSE contributes to costing us games by doing alot of the stuff you just mentioned.

Stop using the SaintsWhodi method of debate. Comparative blame only works when it's a Baltimore Raven-like situation as I mentioned above. There have been games this season when it looked like the Offense did more than enough to win, while the D surrendered something late and blew it for us. On the flip side, there have been games such as the New England game, where the D did enough to keep us in it, and the offense couldn't deliver at the end. And yet, with guys like you and a few others, it always comes back to the offense, and more often than not, the quarterback. In the end, the defense is only mildly, if ever, critiqued..........and the #12 overall ranking gets thrown out there, as if that tells the entire story..

FrenzyFan · 11-23-2005, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

..what do you mean too much credit? It's not too much credit, is just pointing out the obvious..

... so, scoring 10, 3, 6, 16 points in 4 games, that's not a liability...

.. so, turning the ball over 28 times, tops in the NFL, 11 times in 2 games, that don't count...

... so failing to convert on 3rd down is not a liabilty ( including going 2 for 24 in a span of 2 games) that's minutia...

... so, scoring 16 TD's in 10 games, that's the defense's fault... they ought to "take it to the house" couple of times a game...

... so, not scoring any points off turnovers by the opposition, who cares?

..the more I see the games' results, the more than "adequate" the defense looks to me, and the worse the offense looks...

"

...

Key points, those. The offense for our Saints is horrid. The offense is THE key reason for our losing this season. Carney's failing leg hurts. Two kick returns for TDs hurt. Our defense has easily kept us in almost every game this season. Our offense simply cannot do ANYTHING this year.

Tobias-Reiper · 11-23-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by TheGambler

I guess I stuttered when I said BOTH SIDES deserved their fair share of the blame....

We're not talking about the situation that the Baltimore Ravens always seem to have......where the defense is always adequate or superior while the offense just bumbles along.................we're talking about a situation where the defense CONTRIBUTES to costing us games by allowing long drives, committing stupid penalties, giving up too many big plays, and breaking down at critical moments when we need a stoppage., and the OFFENSE contributes to costing us games by doing alot of the stuff you just mentioned.

Stop using the SaintsWhodi method of debate. Comparative blame only works when it's a Baltimore Raven-like situation as I mentioned above. There have been games this season when it looked like the Offense did more than enough to win, while the D surrendered something late and blew it for us. On the flip side, there have been games such as the New England game, where the D did enough to keep us in it, and the offense couldn't deliver at the end. And yet, with guys like you and a few others, it always comes back to the offense, and more often than not, the quarterback. In the end, the defense is only mildly, if ever, critiqued..........and the #12 overall ranking gets thrown out there, as if that tells the entire story..

What are you talking about?? The Saintswhodi method of debate??? Now it's all about all coming back to the QB???
... you should strop embarassing yourself as well...

why don't you refute the points I made?

Why don't you tell me how any defense can compensate for the offense turning the ball over 6 times on a game? By creating 7 turnovers themselves???? Would it matter if the offense can't score points off turnovers to save their lives??

Why don't you tell me how any defense can compensate for the offense scoring less than 10 points a game? By shutting down the opposition or scoring 2 TD's?? 4 games on a row??? The purpose of the offense is to score points right??

oh, no.. let's just say that everyone is to blame now, making sure the blame doesn't go back to the QB... let's just say that they give the big play... yeah, that's really good debating...

11-22-2005, 04:12 PM	#11
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	You are not smart. Yeah...that Tom Brady guy is not very good. The Dolphins scored 19 points against us....big deal, we scored 6. Don't even bring up GB or we'll have to talk about that pick your assmate threw to get the game going. The Falcons game, the d gave up 20 points, including the 7 that Brooks gave them with that pick inside the 20. This is not an excuse, you twit, it is called analysis. Why don't you turn your laser focus on some of the defenses we have faced and the corresponding fantastic results. Is the GB D a juggernaut? 3 points....our offense gave up 14. Miami is decent. 6 points. The Rams? 17 points. You wanna talk about NE being depleted? Look at their defense. 17 points. I have so had it with your moronic statements. You and Euph need to go get a room, cover the walls in AB posters, put on your # 2 codpieces, and watch video of the 45-7 victory against the Giants practice squad defense until you have each achieved peak arousal. Come get some.
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11-22-2005, 05:22 PM	#13
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Lessee, The Saints' defense is currently ranked 12th in the league in yards allowed per game with 309. Not bad. The Bears are ranked 1st, with 252.1 yards allowed per game. The Saints' run defense is abysmal, giving up 138.6 yards per game. So we have some problems up the middle? Nothing new. The Saints' passing defense is ranked 3rd in the NFL, giving up only 170.4 yards per game. That's pretty good. To think, a few years ago we were all worried about the defensive backfield. The Saints' are ranked 28th in the league in points allowed per game with 26.6. I wonder if that had anything to do with turnovers. Hmmmm.... Let's look at the offense 16th in the league in yards per game. Average. 12th in the league in yards per game rushing. We're doing pretty good in that department, considering we lost our star back for the year. 17th in the league in yards per game passing. Eh....not overly bad, not overly good. 26th in the league in points scored per game. Why can't we punch it in? Turnovers, maybe? Hey, wait....we're ranked first in something.... The Saints' rank 1st in total turnovers, 13 interceptions & 14 fumbles for a total of 27. Whoa! Don't slip up or get got! (Why not man?) I'm comin for that number one spot! (Alright) Where did they all come from??? So in summary, we have multiple problems. We can't stop the run (defense), penalties, an off-again on-again kicker, and a boneheaded QB that a select few feel the need to protect at all costs. Nothing like being a Saints' fan!!!
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11-22-2005, 09:37 PM	#14
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by BlackonBlack Well, your defense of AB is an underlying theme of all your posts. I never said it was good that they got burnt on play action. The D did not play good on Sunday, but it's not like 24 points is alot.....is it? I mean is it? And i won't even get into trying to decipher your other bastardizations of our language.....I'll just go jump off a cliff. I'll tell you what....why do you get lost? So there.....Nyaaaaah You're funny Here again little what defense of AB? show me where I defended AB... I thought so, 24 points 3 point, 6 points... The purpose of this tread was the defense was fine as far as some saw??? The defense is horrible still, against the bangged up Pat's without their star team, without Dillon and a slew of others our defense was taken apart. Same at Greenbay, Minnesota, NewYork, on and on and on... Go ahead now and say how the offense didn't do this or that, when has the defense won a game for this team in the past 5 years? Offenses struggle, their supposed to! LSU offense struggles, leads the SEC in coughing it up, they're only with 1 loss... You can name any team in the NFL, their offenses struggle for weeks out of the season(plural)... ...man, really, stop embarassing yourself... hint: the Pats' DEFENSE is what's depleted, not the offense, especially THE SECONDARY!! You waned the Saints defense to exploit the Pat's secondary??? hint: the Packers' DEFENSE is in shambles... hint: how many games have you seen a team won when the commit 5-6 offensive turnovers? ..seriously, man. Stop embarassing yourself...
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11-23-2005, 08:58 AM	#16
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	BlackOnBlack, I, too, feel that the Saints's D is more of a liablity than their 12th-place overall ranking indicates. And I also feel that far too much CREDIT is being given by some folks here to the defense. But I don't see this defense as being "horrible". Both sides deserve their fair share of blame for our poor record.
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11-23-2005, 10:11 AM	#17
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by TheGambler BlackOnBlack, I, too, feel that the Saints's D is more of a liablity than their 12th-place overall ranking indicates. And I also feel that far too much CREDIT is being given by some folks here to the defense. But I don't see this defense as being "horrible". Both sides deserve their fair share of blame for our poor record. ..well, ain't that sweet... ..what do you mean too much credit? It's not too much credit, is just pointing out the obvious.. ... so, scoring 10, 3, 6, 16 points in 4 games, that's not a liability... .. so, turning the ball over 28 times, tops in the NFL, 11 times in 2 games, that don't count... ... so failing to convert on 3rd down is not a liabilty ( including going 2 for 24 in a span of 2 games) that's minutia... ... so, scoring 16 TD's in 10 games, that's the defense's fault... they ought to "take it to the house" couple of times a game... ... so, not scoring any points off turnovers by the opposition, who cares? ..the more I see the games' results, the more than "adequate" the defense looks to me, and the worse the offense looks... " ...
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11-22-2005, 04:28 PM	#12
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	Well, your defense of AB is an underlying theme of all your posts. I never said it was good that they got burnt on play action. The D did not play good on Sunday, but it's not like 24 points is alot.....is it? I mean is it? And i won't even get into trying to decipher your other bastardizations of our language.....I'll just go jump off a cliff. I'll tell you what....why do you get lost? So there.....Nyaaaaah You're funny
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11-23-2005, 07:21 AM	#15
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	So, we shouldn't make any judgements based on rankings and we need to rebuild this team, ignoring the offense, and build a defense and special teams that will score enough points to win us games. OK, I think I got it now

11-23-2005, 11:02 AM	#18
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	I guess I stuttered when I said BOTH SIDES deserved their fair share of the blame.... We're not talking about the situation that the Baltimore Ravens always seem to have......where the defense is always adequate or superior while the offense just bumbles along.................we're talking about a situation where the defense CONTRIBUTES to costing us games by allowing long drives, committing stupid penalties, giving up too many big plays, and breaking down at critical moments when we need a stoppage., and the OFFENSE contributes to costing us games by doing alot of the stuff you just mentioned. Stop using the SaintsWhodi method of debate. Comparative blame only works when it's a Baltimore Raven-like situation as I mentioned above. There have been games this season when it looked like the Offense did more than enough to win, while the D surrendered something late and blew it for us. On the flip side, there have been games such as the New England game, where the D did enough to keep us in it, and the offense couldn't deliver at the end. And yet, with guys like you and a few others, it always comes back to the offense, and more often than not, the quarterback. In the end, the defense is only mildly, if ever, critiqued..........and the #12 overall ranking gets thrown out there, as if that tells the entire story..
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11-23-2005, 12:50 PM	#19
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper ..what do you mean too much credit? It's not too much credit, is just pointing out the obvious.. ... so, scoring 10, 3, 6, 16 points in 4 games, that's not a liability... .. so, turning the ball over 28 times, tops in the NFL, 11 times in 2 games, that don't count... ... so failing to convert on 3rd down is not a liabilty ( including going 2 for 24 in a span of 2 games) that's minutia... ... so, scoring 16 TD's in 10 games, that's the defense's fault... they ought to "take it to the house" couple of times a game... ... so, not scoring any points off turnovers by the opposition, who cares? ..the more I see the games' results, the more than "adequate" the defense looks to me, and the worse the offense looks... " ... Key points, those. The offense for our Saints is horrid. The offense is THE key reason for our losing this season. Carney's failing leg hurts. Two kick returns for TDs hurt. Our defense has easily kept us in almost every game this season. Our offense simply cannot do ANYTHING this year.
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11-23-2005, 06:25 PM	#20
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by TheGambler I guess I stuttered when I said BOTH SIDES deserved their fair share of the blame.... We're not talking about the situation that the Baltimore Ravens always seem to have......where the defense is always adequate or superior while the offense just bumbles along.................we're talking about a situation where the defense CONTRIBUTES to costing us games by allowing long drives, committing stupid penalties, giving up too many big plays, and breaking down at critical moments when we need a stoppage., and the OFFENSE contributes to costing us games by doing alot of the stuff you just mentioned. Stop using the SaintsWhodi method of debate. Comparative blame only works when it's a Baltimore Raven-like situation as I mentioned above. There have been games this season when it looked like the Offense did more than enough to win, while the D surrendered something late and blew it for us. On the flip side, there have been games such as the New England game, where the D did enough to keep us in it, and the offense couldn't deliver at the end. And yet, with guys like you and a few others, it always comes back to the offense, and more often than not, the quarterback. In the end, the defense is only mildly, if ever, critiqued..........and the #12 overall ranking gets thrown out there, as if that tells the entire story.. What are you talking about?? The Saintswhodi method of debate??? Now it's all about all coming back to the QB??? ... you should strop embarassing yourself as well... why don't you refute the points I made? Why don't you tell me how any defense can compensate for the offense turning the ball over 6 times on a game? By creating 7 turnovers themselves???? Would it matter if the offense can't score points off turnovers to save their lives?? Why don't you tell me how any defense can compensate for the offense scoring less than 10 points a game? By shutting down the opposition or scoring 2 TD's?? 4 games on a row??? The purpose of the offense is to score points right?? oh, no.. let's just say that everyone is to blame now, making sure the blame doesn't go back to the QB... let's just say that they give the big play... yeah, that's really good debating...
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