Texans take Young, we take....

spkb25 · 01-06-2006, 09:13 PM

pak that sir you are 100% right on

saintswhodi · 01-06-2006, 09:18 PM

teams with good qbs dont always win the super bowls... ask any nfl "expert" and they will tell u the way to win the super bowl is run the football and play good defense....

Really? Let's go back through history. Brady, Brady, Johnson(fluke year), Brady, Dilfer(fluke year) Warner, Elway, Elway, Favre, Aikman, Young, Aikman, Aikman, Rypien, Simms, Montana, Montana. So of the last 17 superbowls, I guess it's only coincidence that 14 of those 17 winning QBs were GREAT QBs. And the repeat ones are all hall of famers. Only coincidental I am sure.

GoldenTomb · 01-06-2006, 09:21 PM

Come on now whodi.

I havent heard anyone say that Leinart is the best college QB to come out. I think we have all heard that Bush may be the best RB to ever come out.

And i hear what you say about Duece and Bush, but the Texans were rumored to covet him, and last I heard they had a couple of good backs there already(D. Davis and V. Morency). If Bush has an impressive first two years, he could make McAllister expendable once he proves he can handle the load and before Duece's contract ballons out of control. I think a think a GM thinking about the big picture would not pass up Bush, and if by chance he is there, I would bet you any kind of money that the Saints would pick him, provided that they don't trade it away. A couple of mock drafts on ESPN post-Rose Bowl already had the Saints picking him, so we aren't the only ones who are saying this.

You say that we already have explosive WRs, a good RB, and we can use picks to get KR and PR? Well why can't we use one pick that would perform all of those duties very well? Then we could use our later picks for defensive purposes.

And lets be real now.

We have 1 explosive WR, because Horn will decline sharply(already has started to).

Lewis may be on the decline too(he's no spring chicken)

A first year QB is just not someone we need to head our offense right now. You say he will come in and contribute right away. Historically QBs are horrendous right away. Even the very best right now Peyton Manning, was horrendous. It doesn't strike me that this team is in rebuilding mode, so if they want to win right away(and we need to if we want this team to stay in LA) I don't see Leinart as being the best pick in that situation. Bush would be the way to go.

saintswhodi · 01-06-2006, 09:39 PM

I havent heard anyone say that Leinart is the best college QB to come out. I think we have all heard that Bush may be the best RB to ever come out.

WHAT?? He has repeatedly been called the best college QB ever. I find it hard to believe you haven't heard that. Very hard. He is grading out as the highest QB ever as well. Even Kiper, since you used ESPN, says that. Wow.

but the Texans were rumored to covet him, and last I heard they had a couple of good backs there already(D. Davis and V. Morency).

Um, the Texans only gave Dom Davis a 21 million dollar extension. We gave Deuce a 50 million dollar extension. Slight difference no?

If Bush has an impressive first two years, he could make McAllister expendable once he proves he can handle the load and before Duece's contract ballons out of control.

While for two years we can't sign FAs. Or at least any good ones. Good call.

I think a think a GM thinking about the big picture would not pass up Bush, and if by chance he is there, I would bet you any kind of money that the Saints would pick him, provided that they don't trade it away

I'll take that bet, 100x out of 100. If Bush is there when we pick, we will move down one or two spots to the two teams under us, and hope we still get Leinart. We will not take Bush.

A couple of mock drafts on ESPN post-Rose Bowl already had the Saints picking him, so we aren't the only ones who are saying this.

I'd like to see those. Can you post them? From ESPN?

You say that we already have explosive WRs, a good RB, and we can use picks to get KR and PR? Well why can't we use one pick that would perform all of those duties very well? Then we could use our later picks for defensive purposes

Cause them combined would be cheaper than Bush.

A first year QB is just not someone we need to head our offense right now. You say he will come in and contribute right away. Historically QBs are horrendous right away. Even the very best right now Peyton Manning, was horrendous. It doesn't strike me that this team is in rebuilding mode, so if they want to win right away(and we need to if we want this team to stay in LA) I don't see Leinart as being the best pick in that situation. Bush would be the way to go.

Obviously, this isn't just any old first year QB. And I definitely wouldn't call Peyton horrendous his first year. All we need is for Leinart to be better than Brooks in his very first year. I bet he can do that.

pakowitz · 01-06-2006, 10:06 PM

na payton wasnt horrendous he only set the rookie record for INTs....

pakowitz · 01-06-2006, 10:07 PM

i aint even listenin to u anymore cuz u are closed minded. u aint even hearing what any of us are saying....

saintswhodi · 01-06-2006, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

i aint even listenin to u anymore cuz u are closed minded. u aint even hearing what any of us are saying....

No, you're not listening to me, cause you haven't proven this was a good idea. And i'm close minded? What do you call yourself? You stated you hate Leinart, and don't think he will be crap. At least I admit Bush is a great player, just not a great player for us. Who's close minded again? Pot...kettle.

CheramieIII · 01-06-2006, 10:36 PM

Damn, Whodi said POT. Can't we just all get along.

saintswhodi · 01-06-2006, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

na payton wasnt horrendous he only set the rookie record for INTs....

And threw for 3700 yards and 26 TDs. Wow, that guy sucks.

CheramieIII · 01-06-2006, 11:07 PM

I am putting my money on Hawk and I put it down in writing in First and Gold. If the Saints pull off what I have predicted we will go to the Superbowl in the next 4 or 5 years. I do have some money to bet on this one too.

01-06-2006, 09:21 PM	#73
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Come on now whodi. I havent heard anyone say that Leinart is the best college QB to come out. I think we have all heard that Bush may be the best RB to ever come out. And i hear what you say about Duece and Bush, but the Texans were rumored to covet him, and last I heard they had a couple of good backs there already(D. Davis and V. Morency). If Bush has an impressive first two years, he could make McAllister expendable once he proves he can handle the load and before Duece's contract ballons out of control. I think a think a GM thinking about the big picture would not pass up Bush, and if by chance he is there, I would bet you any kind of money that the Saints would pick him, provided that they don't trade it away. A couple of mock drafts on ESPN post-Rose Bowl already had the Saints picking him, so we aren't the only ones who are saying this. You say that we already have explosive WRs, a good RB, and we can use picks to get KR and PR? Well why can't we use one pick that would perform all of those duties very well? Then we could use our later picks for defensive purposes. And lets be real now. We have 1 explosive WR, because Horn will decline sharply(already has started to). Lewis may be on the decline too(he's no spring chicken) A first year QB is just not someone we need to head our offense right now. You say he will come in and contribute right away. Historically QBs are horrendous right away. Even the very best right now Peyton Manning, was horrendous. It doesn't strike me that this team is in rebuilding mode, so if they want to win right away(and we need to if we want this team to stay in LA) I don't see Leinart as being the best pick in that situation. Bush would be the way to go.
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01-06-2006, 09:39 PM	#74
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I havent heard anyone say that Leinart is the best college QB to come out. I think we have all heard that Bush may be the best RB to ever come out. WHAT?? He has repeatedly been called the best college QB ever. I find it hard to believe you haven't heard that. Very hard. He is grading out as the highest QB ever as well. Even Kiper, since you used ESPN, says that. Wow. but the Texans were rumored to covet him, and last I heard they had a couple of good backs there already(D. Davis and V. Morency). Um, the Texans only gave Dom Davis a 21 million dollar extension. We gave Deuce a 50 million dollar extension. Slight difference no? If Bush has an impressive first two years, he could make McAllister expendable once he proves he can handle the load and before Duece's contract ballons out of control. While for two years we can't sign FAs. Or at least any good ones. Good call. I think a think a GM thinking about the big picture would not pass up Bush, and if by chance he is there, I would bet you any kind of money that the Saints would pick him, provided that they don't trade it away I'll take that bet, 100x out of 100. If Bush is there when we pick, we will move down one or two spots to the two teams under us, and hope we still get Leinart. We will not take Bush. A couple of mock drafts on ESPN post-Rose Bowl already had the Saints picking him, so we aren't the only ones who are saying this. I'd like to see those. Can you post them? From ESPN? You say that we already have explosive WRs, a good RB, and we can use picks to get KR and PR? Well why can't we use one pick that would perform all of those duties very well? Then we could use our later picks for defensive purposes Cause them combined would be cheaper than Bush. A first year QB is just not someone we need to head our offense right now. You say he will come in and contribute right away. Historically QBs are horrendous right away. Even the very best right now Peyton Manning, was horrendous. It doesn't strike me that this team is in rebuilding mode, so if they want to win right away(and we need to if we want this team to stay in LA) I don't see Leinart as being the best pick in that situation. Bush would be the way to go. Obviously, this isn't just any old first year QB. And I definitely wouldn't call Peyton horrendous his first year. All we need is for Leinart to be better than Brooks in his very first year. I bet he can do that.

01-06-2006, 10:31 PM	#77
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by pakowitz i aint even listenin to u anymore cuz u are closed minded. u aint even hearing what any of us are saying.... No, you're not listening to me, cause you haven't proven this was a good idea. And i'm close minded? What do you call yourself? You stated you hate Leinart, and don't think he will be crap. At least I admit Bush is a great player, just not a great player for us. Who's close minded again? Pot...kettle.

01-06-2006, 10:38 PM	#79
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by pakowitz na payton wasnt horrendous he only set the rookie record for INTs.... And threw for 3700 yards and 26 TDs. Wow, that guy sucks.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	pak that sir you are 100% right on

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01-06-2006, 09:18 PM	#72
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	teams with good qbs dont always win the super bowls... ask any nfl "expert" and they will tell u the way to win the super bowl is run the football and play good defense.... Really? Let's go back through history. Brady, Brady, Johnson(fluke year), Brady, Dilfer(fluke year) Warner, Elway, Elway, Favre, Aikman, Young, Aikman, Aikman, Rypien, Simms, Montana, Montana. So of the last 17 superbowls, I guess it's only coincidence that 14 of those 17 winning QBs were GREAT QBs. And the repeat ones are all hall of famers. Only coincidental I am sure.

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pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	na payton wasnt horrendous he only set the rookie record for INTs....

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pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	i aint even listenin to u anymore cuz u are closed minded. u aint even hearing what any of us are saying....

01-06-2006, 10:36 PM	#78
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Damn, Whodi said POT. Can't we just all get along.

01-06-2006, 11:07 PM	#80
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	I am putting my money on Hawk and I put it down in writing in First and Gold. If the Saints pull off what I have predicted we will go to the Superbowl in the next 4 or 5 years. I do have some money to bet on this one too.