Decision on Brooks Coming Soon

saintswhodi · 02-24-2006, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Xan you are heartless and cruel. I'm calling my counselor right now. Seriously though... I am sorry if I am one of the few people in here that feel that with the availability in the FA market this year that we should just go out and get Leinart becuase we are unhappy that AB doesn't have a serious face when he does something wrong, or that he does terrible because defenses are smart enough to know that when your star RB is down and out (thats twice now) that your defensive scheme will revolve around the passing game because the world knows that 9 times out of 10 when the Saints do not have Deuce they can't run, or that we have had an O-Line that....well....you get the idea (false starts, countless holds, DRIVE KILLERS), or that our recievers just happened to lead the league in dropped passes. Hell...if you can put on any kind of smile on your face when dealing with those conditions....you deserve a medal.

Wow. I haven't seen anyone make this many excuses for Brooks since Billy, and blackonblack/winwin. And that one guy The Gambler. Can't make a positive post for AB WITHOUT blaming everyone else? That's why he needs to go. HE has NO positives of his own, unless you throw the rest of the team under the bus.

FatiusJeebs · 02-24-2006, 09:34 AM

Are you telling me that these reasons are not legit whodi? Would you be able to succeed in this league with those conditions? I'm not saying none of it is Brooks' fault...but c'mon....he sure as hell had a lot of help in his demise.

saintswhodi · 02-24-2006, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Are you telling me that these reasons are not legit whodi? Would you be able to succeed in this league with those conditions? I'm not saying none of it is Brooks' fault...but c'mon....he sure as hell had a lot of help in his demise.

Um, yes I am. SIX YEARS!!! I am sorry, but no way in hell you can say Brooks has had these issues for 6 years. Last year Matt Hasselbeck's Seahawks, wait for the past few years, led the league in drops, and he STILL is a pro bowl QB that completes a high % of passes. Bulger gets KILLED in St. Louis behind his line, yet he still is among league leaders in passer rating. Hell, even David Carr, the most sacked QB in the league since he was drafted, has had seasons of over 60% completing his passes. None of those EXCUSES are flying. EVERY team has problems, you are stille xpected to go out and do your job. AB doesn't and hasn't.

Also, we ran the ball better than Carolina last year. Their star RB Stephen Davis was hurt. Did that stop Delhomme from doing great, with only one receiver? No excuse. We also ran much better than NE, who had dillon hurt a lot. And we weren't too far behind Indy and Tampa Bay, who had Chris freaking Simms QBing. No excuse. Like I said, if you have to blame EVERYONE else to defend ONE player, that player isn't worth it.

Tobias-Reiper · 02-24-2006, 10:51 AM

... I smell goat...

FatiusJeebs · 02-24-2006, 10:58 AM

You are absolutely right...he did not have those conditions for six years... how quickly we forget how well he did do when he didn't have those conditions.

saintswhodi · 02-24-2006, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

You are absolutely right...he did not have those conditions for six years... how quickly we forget how well he did do when he didn't have those conditions.

Did well? When? Dude, you're full of it.

FatiusJeebs · 02-24-2006, 11:48 AM

Whodi.....I am convinced...you are just a straight up HATER. His first 2-3 years here were pretty good man. Look I want to be clear about something. I am defending Brooks only on the premise that he, during the early part of his tenure here, did a good job for us. He was more accurate, more responsible, and the team was also in better shape. As time went on we lost key players and coaching obviously became a joke. One year we ranked 31 out of 32 in the league in yards alloed by the defense, next we lead the league in FALSE STARTS, almost 2 years in a row we lead the league in turnovers( I am aware that Broooks was partially responsible for that part), when things were good.....Brooks was more competent but theam was also much more cohesive. You can't sit there and say that he sucked for six years. Thats just crap and nothing but AB bashing. Now....I am also not against him leaving......especially with the money he is about to cost us. What I am saying is I would like to see one of two things happen:
1. Coach Payton restructures his contract and provides Brooks an offense that he can excel in while we stack up our defense. (Which I feel he can do...he has the tools, maybe good coaching can help him in other areas.) Call me an optimist...I'm game.
2. We trade Brooks save up the cash and stack up our D in the draft while we find a decent FA QB.

You say that a pro QB can't turn his career around after so many years....Payton did it with Bledsoe...why not Brooks? But if not so be it......but I just feel that signing millions to an unproven rookie when we have the opportunity to really beef up this team through draft and FA would be a mistake.

saintswhodi · 02-24-2006, 12:05 PM

Like I said, full of it.

You say that a pro QB can't turn his career around after so many years....Payton did it with Bledsoe...why not Brooks?

Um, cause Bledsoe was one of the most prolific passers EVER with NE, and even took his team to a SUPERBOWL. And he wasn't bad with Buffalo, until they got rid of Price and his O-line went to swiss cheese, coupled with the fact he is a statue. THAT'S why not Brooks.

His first 2-3 years here were pretty good man.

FALSE. a 76.4 rating and an 80 rating while barely completing 55% of your passes IS NOT PRETTY GOOD, unless mediocrity is a goal to strive for.

He was more accurate, more responsible, and the team was also in better shape.

What a load. Brooks has NEVER EVER been described as anyone rational as ACCURATE, or responsible. This is how I know you are full of it. Even guys who jock him don't call him accurate. This may be the first time I have EVER heard that term used to describe Aaron Brooks? And responsible? This has to be a joke.

As time went on we lost key players and coaching obviously became a joke

Yup, we are the only NFL team that loses players. Excuse.

One year we ranked 31 out of 32 in the league in yards alloed by the defense,

Excuse.

next we lead the league in FALSE STARTS

Excuse, but got a link?

almost 2 years in a row we lead the league in turnovers( I am aware that Broooks was partially responsible for that part),

The guy who committs the MOST turnovers on the team is PARTIALLY responsible? Do you even read what you're typing? 2003, he led the league in lost fumbles(half when he was untouched) 2004 he led the league in red zone turnovers. Last year he was just pathetic, and he is PARTIALLY responsible? Wow.

when things were good.....Brooks was more competent but theam was also much more cohesive.

BS.

FatiusJeebs · 02-24-2006, 12:40 PM

Hater. Period! ;0)

mjf150 · 02-24-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Are you telling me that these reasons are not legit whodi? Would you be able to succeed in this league with those conditions? I'm not saying none of it is Brooks' fault...but c'mon....he sure as hell had a lot of help in his demise.

I don't know. Let's put Brooks on another team and find out.

02-24-2006, 09:20 AM	#51
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Xan you are heartless and cruel. I'm calling my counselor right now. Seriously though... I am sorry if I am one of the few people in here that feel that with the availability in the FA market this year that we should just go out and get Leinart becuase we are unhappy that AB doesn't have a serious face when he does something wrong, or that he does terrible because defenses are smart enough to know that when your star RB is down and out (thats twice now) that your defensive scheme will revolve around the passing game because the world knows that 9 times out of 10 when the Saints do not have Deuce they can't run, or that we have had an O-Line that....well....you get the idea (false starts, countless holds, DRIVE KILLERS), or that our recievers just happened to lead the league in dropped passes. Hell...if you can put on any kind of smile on your face when dealing with those conditions....you deserve a medal. Wow. I haven't seen anyone make this many excuses for Brooks since Billy, and blackonblack/winwin. And that one guy The Gambler. Can't make a positive post for AB WITHOUT blaming everyone else? That's why he needs to go. HE has NO positives of his own, unless you throw the rest of the team under the bus.

02-24-2006, 09:34 AM	#52
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Are you telling me that these reasons are not legit whodi? Would you be able to succeed in this league with those conditions? I'm not saying none of it is Brooks' fault...but c'mon....he sure as hell had a lot of help in his demise.
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02-24-2006, 10:35 AM	#53
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Are you telling me that these reasons are not legit whodi? Would you be able to succeed in this league with those conditions? I'm not saying none of it is Brooks' fault...but c'mon....he sure as hell had a lot of help in his demise. Um, yes I am. SIX YEARS!!! I am sorry, but no way in hell you can say Brooks has had these issues for 6 years. Last year Matt Hasselbeck's Seahawks, wait for the past few years, led the league in drops, and he STILL is a pro bowl QB that completes a high % of passes. Bulger gets KILLED in St. Louis behind his line, yet he still is among league leaders in passer rating. Hell, even David Carr, the most sacked QB in the league since he was drafted, has had seasons of over 60% completing his passes. None of those EXCUSES are flying. EVERY team has problems, you are stille xpected to go out and do your job. AB doesn't and hasn't. Also, we ran the ball better than Carolina last year. Their star RB Stephen Davis was hurt. Did that stop Delhomme from doing great, with only one receiver? No excuse. We also ran much better than NE, who had dillon hurt a lot. And we weren't too far behind Indy and Tampa Bay, who had Chris freaking Simms QBing. No excuse. Like I said, if you have to blame EVERYONE else to defend ONE player, that player isn't worth it.

02-24-2006, 10:58 AM	#55
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	You are absolutely right...he did not have those conditions for six years... how quickly we forget how well he did do when he didn't have those conditions.
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02-24-2006, 11:05 AM	#56
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs You are absolutely right...he did not have those conditions for six years... how quickly we forget how well he did do when he didn't have those conditions. Did well? When? Dude, you're full of it.

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02-24-2006, 10:51 AM	#54
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02-24-2006, 11:48 AM	#57
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Whodi.....I am convinced...you are just a straight up HATER. His first 2-3 years here were pretty good man. Look I want to be clear about something. I am defending Brooks only on the premise that he, during the early part of his tenure here, did a good job for us. He was more accurate, more responsible, and the team was also in better shape. As time went on we lost key players and coaching obviously became a joke. One year we ranked 31 out of 32 in the league in yards alloed by the defense, next we lead the league in FALSE STARTS, almost 2 years in a row we lead the league in turnovers( I am aware that Broooks was partially responsible for that part), when things were good.....Brooks was more competent but theam was also much more cohesive. You can't sit there and say that he sucked for six years. Thats just crap and nothing but AB bashing. Now....I am also not against him leaving......especially with the money he is about to cost us. What I am saying is I would like to see one of two things happen: 1. Coach Payton restructures his contract and provides Brooks an offense that he can excel in while we stack up our defense. (Which I feel he can do...he has the tools, maybe good coaching can help him in other areas.) Call me an optimist...I'm game. 2. We trade Brooks save up the cash and stack up our D in the draft while we find a decent FA QB. You say that a pro QB can't turn his career around after so many years....Payton did it with Bledsoe...why not Brooks? But if not so be it......but I just feel that signing millions to an unproven rookie when we have the opportunity to really beef up this team through draft and FA would be a mistake.
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02-24-2006, 12:05 PM	#58
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Like I said, full of it. You say that a pro QB can't turn his career around after so many years....Payton did it with Bledsoe...why not Brooks? Um, cause Bledsoe was one of the most prolific passers EVER with NE, and even took his team to a SUPERBOWL. And he wasn't bad with Buffalo, until they got rid of Price and his O-line went to swiss cheese, coupled with the fact he is a statue. THAT'S why not Brooks. His first 2-3 years here were pretty good man. FALSE. a 76.4 rating and an 80 rating while barely completing 55% of your passes IS NOT PRETTY GOOD, unless mediocrity is a goal to strive for. He was more accurate, more responsible, and the team was also in better shape. What a load. Brooks has NEVER EVER been described as anyone rational as ACCURATE, or responsible. This is how I know you are full of it. Even guys who jock him don't call him accurate. This may be the first time I have EVER heard that term used to describe Aaron Brooks? And responsible? This has to be a joke. As time went on we lost key players and coaching obviously became a joke Yup, we are the only NFL team that loses players. Excuse. One year we ranked 31 out of 32 in the league in yards alloed by the defense, Excuse. next we lead the league in FALSE STARTS Excuse, but got a link? almost 2 years in a row we lead the league in turnovers( I am aware that Broooks was partially responsible for that part), The guy who committs the MOST turnovers on the team is PARTIALLY responsible? Do you even read what you're typing? 2003, he led the league in lost fumbles(half when he was untouched) 2004 he led the league in red zone turnovers. Last year he was just pathetic, and he is PARTIALLY responsible? Wow. when things were good.....Brooks was more competent but theam was also much more cohesive. BS.

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02-24-2006, 12:50 PM	#60
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 747	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Are you telling me that these reasons are not legit whodi? Would you be able to succeed in this league with those conditions? I'm not saying none of it is Brooks' fault...but c'mon....he sure as hell had a lot of help in his demise. I don't know. Let's put Brooks on another team and find out.
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