Payton interested in Cutler?

BlackandBlue · 02-28-2006, 02:59 PM

who is petty, and why would i sweat him?

gandhi1007 · 02-28-2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

who is petty, and why would i sweat him?

B&B, are you calling me out again?

That's it. I'm calling Johnny Cochrane!!!!!!!!!!

:P

BlackandBlue · 02-28-2006, 03:12 PM

see...see....see.....

this is what's wrong with America, everyone is soooooooooo quick to secure legal council.

FatiusJeebs · 02-28-2006, 03:19 PM

BnB... its not an issue of talent at hand vs. no talent at hand Its an issue of maximizing the talent you don't have. THAT....takes talent. Cutler has proven he has it.

BJSim · 02-28-2006, 03:33 PM

Shouldn't it also be about a player that makes everyone else around him seem better? A great QB can make mediocre players seem great, so the evaluation of those other players is exagerated.

gandhi1007 · 02-28-2006, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

... its not an issue of talent at hand vs. no talent at hand Its an issue of maximizing the talent you don't have. THAT....takes talent. Cutler has proven he has it.

FJ, I don't believe anyone on here would go as far as to say Jay Cutler is not talented. He is or he would not be a projected 1st rounder. The point we have been trying to make is that Matt Leinart, over the past 3 years, has proven to everyone in the counrty why he should be the 1st QB drafted.

wheelman · 02-28-2006, 03:38 PM

I hate to get involved in this ridiculous argument, but I feel like I have to set a few things straight. First of all, let me state that I have no preference for either quarterback. So let me get down to business.

About Vanderbilt's offensive line:

Although arguably inexperienced, the youth movement has been far more of a strength than a liability through the first half of the season. While last year's offensive line allowed Vanderbilt quarterbacks to be sacked an incredible 33 times, this year's line has protected Cutler and backup quarterback Chris Nickson far more efficiently. The line has given up only seven sacks, putting them on pace to finish with less than half of 2004's record number.

http://vucommodores.com/sports/footb...elease_id=2051

Now according to that article, Vanderbilt only gave up seven sacks going into that LSU game. They then gave up five sacks to LSU, four while Cutler was still in the game. Just follow this link: http://www.sportsline.com/collegefoo.../1A/2005/week6
and scroll to the game. Then click on live game log. I still have to check how many sacks they gave up in the rest of their games, but my Internet is acting screwy so that will take a while.

And jeebs, Vanderbilt finished five and six last year. They lost six in a row after winning their first four games.

FatiusJeebs · 02-28-2006, 03:43 PM

But thats what I am saying BJ. I'm not saying that Leinart did not make his team look good. He did and we all know it. But it was also expected. Cutler on the other hand did exactly what you described BJ. He made Vandy's football program look a lot more respectable this year. I feel that a QB that can take garbage and mae it noteworthy has got to have some serious potential. At least, I value that more than a QB who did awesome, on an awesome squad, and was expected to. You see BJ I live in Miami. The hurricanes for YEARS AND YEARS have produced winning team after winning team. The QB's while they were here looked awesome and poised for the NFL. But lets get serious....the Canes also had kick ass squads so it was expected for them to do well. As for those QB's? Like I said....outside of Kelly, Kosar, and Tesaverde......all those Hiesman trohpy winning, undefeated anchoring QB's have not done squat. Since I have been witnessing these things for so long I am not convinced that Leinart is exceptional just because he did awesome in college. Toretta, Walsh, Dorsey all did awesome with the Canes. Where are they now?

FatiusJeebs · 02-28-2006, 04:04 PM

My mistake wheelman. I honeslty thought they were 6-5. Hey worst comes to worst....we draft Cutler because we already know he would look good in a Saints uniform. ;0)

Tobias-Reiper · 02-28-2006, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by FanNJ

What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS?

It's called an analogy...What's not to understand.

..that's not an analogy... that's a comparison. which still makes no sense... but hey...

02-28-2006, 03:10 PM	#62
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue who is petty, and why would i sweat him? B&B, are you calling me out again? That's it. I'm calling Johnny Cochrane!!!!!!!!!! :P

02-28-2006, 03:19 PM	#64
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	BnB... its not an issue of talent at hand vs. no talent at hand Its an issue of maximizing the talent you don't have. THAT....takes talent. Cutler has proven he has it.
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02-28-2006, 03:36 PM	#66
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs ... its not an issue of talent at hand vs. no talent at hand Its an issue of maximizing the talent you don't have. THAT....takes talent. Cutler has proven he has it. FJ, I don't believe anyone on here would go as far as to say Jay Cutler is not talented. He is or he would not be a projected 1st rounder. The point we have been trying to make is that Matt Leinart, over the past 3 years, has proven to everyone in the counrty why he should be the 1st QB drafted.

02-28-2006, 03:38 PM	#67
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	I hate to get involved in this ridiculous argument, but I feel like I have to set a few things straight. First of all, let me state that I have no preference for either quarterback. So let me get down to business. About Vanderbilt's offensive line: Although arguably inexperienced, the youth movement has been far more of a strength than a liability through the first half of the season. While last year's offensive line allowed Vanderbilt quarterbacks to be sacked an incredible 33 times, this year's line has protected Cutler and backup quarterback Chris Nickson far more efficiently. The line has given up only seven sacks, putting them on pace to finish with less than half of 2004's record number. http://vucommodores.com/sports/footb...elease_id=2051 Now according to that article, Vanderbilt only gave up seven sacks going into that LSU game. They then gave up five sacks to LSU, four while Cutler was still in the game. Just follow this link: http://www.sportsline.com/collegefoo.../1A/2005/week6 and scroll to the game. Then click on live game log. I still have to check how many sacks they gave up in the rest of their games, but my Internet is acting screwy so that will take a while. And jeebs, Vanderbilt finished five and six last year. They lost six in a row after winning their first four games.
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02-28-2006, 03:43 PM	#68
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	But thats what I am saying BJ. I'm not saying that Leinart did not make his team look good. He did and we all know it. But it was also expected. Cutler on the other hand did exactly what you described BJ. He made Vandy's football program look a lot more respectable this year. I feel that a QB that can take garbage and mae it noteworthy has got to have some serious potential. At least, I value that more than a QB who did awesome, on an awesome squad, and was expected to. You see BJ I live in Miami. The hurricanes for YEARS AND YEARS have produced winning team after winning team. The QB's while they were here looked awesome and poised for the NFL. But lets get serious....the Canes also had kick ass squads so it was expected for them to do well. As for those QB's? Like I said....outside of Kelly, Kosar, and Tesaverde......all those Hiesman trohpy winning, undefeated anchoring QB's have not done squat. Since I have been witnessing these things for so long I am not convinced that Leinart is exceptional just because he did awesome in college. Toretta, Walsh, Dorsey all did awesome with the Canes. Where are they now?
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02-28-2006, 02:59 PM	#61
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02-28-2006, 03:12 PM	#63
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	see...see....see..... this is what's wrong with America, everyone is soooooooooo quick to secure legal council.

02-28-2006, 03:33 PM	#65
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	Shouldn't it also be about a player that makes everyone else around him seem better? A great QB can make mediocre players seem great, so the evaluation of those other players is exagerated.

02-28-2006, 04:04 PM	#69
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	My mistake wheelman. I honeslty thought they were 6-5. Hey worst comes to worst....we draft Cutler because we already know he would look good in a Saints uniform. ;0)
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02-28-2006, 04:07 PM	#70
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Payton intereste Originally Posted by FanNJ What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS? It's called an analogy...What's not to understand. ..that's not an analogy... that's a comparison. which still makes no sense... but hey...