Our draft sucked... but what's new?

gandhi1007 · 04-30-2006, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by wheelman

What NFL team do you work for, gandhi?

The Koochamonga Cracka' Killers.

papz · 04-30-2006, 03:09 PM

lol gandhi... I don't think you read the first post of this thread.

BiggPoppaFro4 · 04-30-2006, 03:17 PM

You are right, you can't teach what Bush can do, but you also can't do what bush can do without a good OLine. You don't have to have multiple ProBowlers on the OLine to win, but it helps. May be a contributing factor to Pittsburgh, Seattle and Indy success. You make sense Jeremy but I am still simply saying that the Jets did well; their strategy worked. As I've posted elsewhere, our FO did well also by not reaching and actually picking the large, gift-wrapped present the Texans left for us rather than taking a sh**** deal just b/c it was there. You don't pass on Bush unless someone is willing to give up a Ricky sized pile for him.

Am I bi****** and moaning at the choice of Bush...No...I saved that for the other picks.

Besides, this seems a dead issue. we are all in agreement, just established on different angles of attack.

gandhi1007 · 04-30-2006, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by papz

lol gandhi... I don't think you read the first post of this thread.

I read it papz & I feel the exact same way. It will take many years of therapy to get over this draft. I was ecstatic that we got Bush, but it all went to hell after that.

papz · 04-30-2006, 03:20 PM

I'm not going to lie though but our 6th and 7th round picks are looking pretty good. I guess the draft ended on a good note with that tackle from Northwestern. He's really not that bad especially with it being this late.

wheelman · 04-30-2006, 03:31 PM

We have another pick, papz. #252

papz · 04-30-2006, 03:39 PM

Whoohoo... maybe we should start trading our higher picks for 6 and 7th rounders. We're on a roll with these picks. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. 8)

GoldRush26 · 04-30-2006, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by BiggPoppaFro4

You are right, you can't teach what Bush can do, but you also can't do what bush can do without a good OLine. You don't have to have multiple ProBowlers on the OLine to win, but it helps. May be a contributing factor to Pittsburgh, Seattle and Indy success. You make sense Jeremy but I am still simply saying that the Jets did well; their strategy worked. As I've posted elsewhere, our FO did well also by not reaching and actually picking the large, gift-wrapped present the Texans left for us rather than taking a sh**** deal just b/c it was there. You don't pass on Bush unless someone is willing to give up a Ricky sized pile for him.

Am I bi****** and moaning at the choice of Bush...No...I saved that for the other picks.

Besides, this seems a dead issue. we are all in agreement, just established on different angles of attack.

Well guys to all of you who are highly disappointed what I would suggest to you is to just stop watching the draft all together. You guys have said it yourself that the draft does nothing but disappoint you every year in and year out. And speaking on pure probability, if you have your specific players that you hope get drafted, chances are high that you will be upset by the end of the day. But looking at the picks, some needs were addressed. Two offensive tackles were taken, and we took a CB, We could have had Winston Justice true....it's disappointing but OT was addressed. Kiper just said we caught a steal in Zach Strief.

A teams' success for the year is not made or broken by the draft. The average team is lucky to get ONE starter out of the draft, unless they are truely horrible, which I don't think we are. The draft is ONE COMPONENT of the offseason, and not even the most iimportant. We did well in free agency signing DREW BREES, Scott Fujita, Anthony Simmons, Omar Stoutmire, and others. Then there are still the June 1st cuts. This draft wasn't the best, for sure, but it is FAR from the worst. I believe we also had a sucky draft the year we made the playoffs too. We didn't even have a first rounder that year. Can't see how people can be down on this year when we have had our best offseason overall in YEARS.

BiggPoppaFro4 · 04-30-2006, 03:55 PM

Ok,here's the thing...people are going to question the picks our FO makes. It is inevitable and this sounding board right here is where you are going to see those thoughts. No one here thinks that the apocalypse of our team is nigh withthe selection of Josh Lay. Just as all those same naysayers know that we still have minicamp, June 1, mini camp, training camp and ....then the season.

For the love of God, and all things holy, let folks vent and then point out the positive aspects. Reading ya'lls posts has convinced me that Harper may just end up as a really great pick, even at rnd 2. Strief and Evans, added to Faine, give us great depth on O line where 48 hrs agoeveryone here was wondering who, other than Brown, would be playing up front.

In 2-3 days we will all be singing the praises of the FO moves these last 2 days. For now emotions will run high.

LSUJeremy · 04-30-2006, 03:55 PM

I didn't think it was possible after getting Bush, but this draft looks like crap to me. I watch a lot of SEC football, and I watched a lot of good players get picked around the guys we picked that would have been better choices for us.

Yes, I realize I'm not a scout, blah, blah, blah, but this isn't brain surgery. You look in the SEC and you take guys who played against the best competition. You see how they did, and you take the good ones. What the hell has a kid from Bloomberg done that would make you want him over a guy in the same position from a big name school that played in big games against good competition?

It's as if our scouts spend more time trying to find some sleeper/diamond in the rough instead of taking the guy that everyone's heard of - meaning there's a LOT more info on the guy....

Screw it. My head's starting to hurt. I don't even feel like bothering to post why these picks suck. And I'm one of those optimistic Saints fans.

04-30-2006, 03:04 PM	#101
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by wheelman What NFL team do you work for, gandhi? The Koochamonga Cracka' Killers.

04-30-2006, 03:17 PM	#103
BiggPoppaFro4 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 231	You are right, you can't teach what Bush can do, but you also can't do what bush can do without a good OLine. You don't have to have multiple ProBowlers on the OLine to win, but it helps. May be a contributing factor to Pittsburgh, Seattle and Indy success. You make sense Jeremy but I am still simply saying that the Jets did well; their strategy worked. As I've posted elsewhere, our FO did well also by not reaching and actually picking the large, gift-wrapped present the Texans left for us rather than taking a sh** deal just b/c it was there. You don't pass on Bush unless someone is willing to give up a Ricky sized pile for him. Am I bi**** and moaning at the choice of Bush...No...I saved that for the other picks. Besides, this seems a dead issue. we are all in agreement, just established on different angles of attack.
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04-30-2006, 03:18 PM	#104
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by papz lol gandhi... I don't think you read the first post of this thread. I read it papz & I feel the exact same way. It will take many years of therapy to get over this draft. I was ecstatic that we got Bush, but it all went to hell after that.

04-30-2006, 03:31 PM	#106
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	We have another pick, papz. #252
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04-30-2006, 03:41 PM	#108
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Originally Posted by BiggPoppaFro4 You are right, you can't teach what Bush can do, but you also can't do what bush can do without a good OLine. You don't have to have multiple ProBowlers on the OLine to win, but it helps. May be a contributing factor to Pittsburgh, Seattle and Indy success. You make sense Jeremy but I am still simply saying that the Jets did well; their strategy worked. As I've posted elsewhere, our FO did well also by not reaching and actually picking the large, gift-wrapped present the Texans left for us rather than taking a sh** deal just b/c it was there. You don't pass on Bush unless someone is willing to give up a Ricky sized pile for him. Am I bi**** and moaning at the choice of Bush...No...I saved that for the other picks. Besides, this seems a dead issue. we are all in agreement, just established on different angles of attack. Well guys to all of you who are highly disappointed what I would suggest to you is to just stop watching the draft all together. You guys have said it yourself that the draft does nothing but disappoint you every year in and year out. And speaking on pure probability, if you have your specific players that you hope get drafted, chances are high that you will be upset by the end of the day. But looking at the picks, some needs were addressed. Two offensive tackles were taken, and we took a CB, We could have had Winston Justice true....it's disappointing but OT was addressed. Kiper just said we caught a steal in Zach Strief. A teams' success for the year is not made or broken by the draft. The average team is lucky to get ONE starter out of the draft, unless they are truely horrible, which I don't think we are. The draft is ONE COMPONENT of the offseason, and not even the most iimportant. We did well in free agency signing DREW BREES, Scott Fujita, Anthony Simmons, Omar Stoutmire, and others. Then there are still the June 1st cuts. This draft wasn't the best, for sure, but it is FAR from the worst. I believe we also had a sucky draft the year we made the playoffs too. We didn't even have a first rounder that year. Can't see how people can be down on this year when we have had our best offseason overall in YEARS.
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04-30-2006, 03:09 PM	#102
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	lol gandhi... I don't think you read the first post of this thread.

04-30-2006, 03:20 PM	#105
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	I'm not going to lie though but our 6th and 7th round picks are looking pretty good. I guess the draft ended on a good note with that tackle from Northwestern. He's really not that bad especially with it being this late.

04-30-2006, 03:39 PM	#107
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Whoohoo... maybe we should start trading our higher picks for 6 and 7th rounders. We're on a roll with these picks. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. 8)

04-30-2006, 03:55 PM	#109
BiggPoppaFro4 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 231	Ok,here's the thing...people are going to question the picks our FO makes. It is inevitable and this sounding board right here is where you are going to see those thoughts. No one here thinks that the apocalypse of our team is nigh withthe selection of Josh Lay. Just as all those same naysayers know that we still have minicamp, June 1, mini camp, training camp and ....then the season. For the love of God, and all things holy, let folks vent and then point out the positive aspects. Reading ya'lls posts has convinced me that Harper may just end up as a really great pick, even at rnd 2. Strief and Evans, added to Faine, give us great depth on O line where 48 hrs agoeveryone here was wondering who, other than Brown, would be playing up front. In 2-3 days we will all be singing the praises of the FO moves these last 2 days. For now emotions will run high.
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04-30-2006, 03:55 PM	#110
LSUJeremy 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 472	I didn't think it was possible after getting Bush, but this draft looks like crap to me. I watch a lot of SEC football, and I watched a lot of good players get picked around the guys we picked that would have been better choices for us. Yes, I realize I'm not a scout, blah, blah, blah, but this isn't brain surgery. You look in the SEC and you take guys who played against the best competition. You see how they did, and you take the good ones. What the hell has a kid from Bloomberg done that would make you want him over a guy in the same position from a big name school that played in big games against good competition? It's as if our scouts spend more time trying to find some sleeper/diamond in the rough instead of taking the guy that everyone's heard of - meaning there's a LOT more info on the guy.... Screw it. My head's starting to hurt. I don't even feel like bothering to post why these picks suck. And I'm one of those optimistic Saints fans.
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