bush sitting out this yr?

Bobaganoosh · 07-22-2006, 08:28 PM

I dont see how this can be true. How could he donate money to save a school, donate hummers to the city, help rebuild Tad Gormley, and pledge all that money from his jersey sales to Katrina victims, and then say he wont play here? Something in this doesnt make sense and i think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion.

MatthewT · 07-22-2006, 08:57 PM

I think Bush is going to get signed. It may take a little while, but he will eventually get a deal done. I do not think Mickey Loomis is stupid enough to let this get ugly. If the stuff that the idiot Yahoo reporter says is true, then you have another reason as for why Michael Bennett is still a Saint.

saintswhodi · 07-22-2006, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by NoBandwagonrs

reggie isnt dumb enuff to sit out the whole year because if im not mistaken the team that takes him has to give the saints compensation and teams dont want to do that so they wont take him. and teams that say he's worth the compensation wont take him because they will be afraid that he will do the same thing to them as he did to the saints. so in the end he will end up with no where near as much money because he will be taken probably middle to late first because of the reasons mentioned.

You are mistaken on this one. If Reggie sits out the year, he goes right into next year's draft, and we get zilch.

FLSaintsFan · 07-22-2006, 10:09 PM

Give me a break . . . if he sits out this year and wants to re-enter the draft next year, then he will be out of football for over a year AND have the rep that he could pull the same thing again. Do you really think he would be a 2nd pick next year? Probably not. He will make much more money in a contract this year as a 2nd pick then taking his chances next year. Besides, all those companies paid his endorsement money because he is a known face. Sitting out is not in that equation.

jnormand · 07-22-2006, 10:43 PM

C'mon guys. This is business. He is going to sign. It's all part of the game. The FO tries not to be too compliant and the players' agent does the same. They will meet somewhere when one of the two finally breaks. It's a matter of time. He'll get signed. He wants to be a part of things here and I don't believe that he is trying to screw the system.

As for holding out until next season....GIVE ME A BREAK! He's not that stupid. He'll lose money, respect, and look really greedy to all the teams. He'll sign. It may be after training camp starts, but he will.

jergensl · 07-22-2006, 10:48 PM

this entire story is just mindless fluff. he might not be signed the first day of camp, but he will before the start of preseason and RB is the one position that doesn't suffer much from holdouts.

LongTimeFan · 07-22-2006, 11:08 PM

Bush will sign..IMO

neugey · 07-23-2006, 07:10 AM

I'm not freaking out. Last year, negotiations got real testy between the Bears and Cedric Benson. But he still signed late Aug/early Sept. Wonder if cap room will be a concern for us? Maybe the Saints need to get into training camp and figure out which players get cut first to see how much $$$ they have to give to Reggie.

hagan714 · 07-23-2006, 07:56 AM

talk to me when the opening kick off happens. if he is not signed then I will freak. till then whats up with the rest of guys that really need the reps?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-23-2006, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by LSUJeremy

It's just negotiating.

Let's not freak out.

Thank you.

Someone should send Reggie and his team a couple of articles from the Cedric Benson debacle in Chicago last year. At the end of the day Benson lost a season holding out.

Now of course there's a funky twist to all of this. Specifically Mario Williams didn't get a signing bonus. Here's a forum entry that has a copy of the ESPN article outlining the contract:

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=31042

Williams has a guaranteed contract with a value between $21 and $27 million depending on the options the Texans choose to pick up. Fully executed it can escalate to a total value of $62 over 6 years.

Now it's interesting to think what both sides are thinking. Note that Alex Smith's signing bonus from last year was only $1 million. But nearly half of his 6 year $49 million contract is guaranteed money.

So at the end of the day both sides have a laundry list of items to work through.

How long is the contract going to be? (5 years or 6?)

What can be voided (none, 1 or 2 years).

What if any signing bonus?

What can the Saints buy back?

How much is guaranteed?

What is the total value of the contract as compared to Smith (6 years, $49M total, $24M guaranteed) and WIlliams (6 years, 2 years voidable but the Texans can buy them back, no signing bonus, $21M to $26M guaranteed).

Then there's the uniqueness of Reggie's situation both on the front that he really is a concensus #1 pick and that he has a unique skill set.

So what are his escalators?

Is he a traditional 1500 yard back? Unlikely.

He may catch 50 balls and score 15-20 overall TDs. How do you quantify that?

Will he play in 80 percent of the offensive plays?

So do you have answers to all of these? I'm pretty sure that neither the Saints or the Bush team do either.

Then neither want to get screwed when Vince Young's contract comes out. If that contract is too close to Williams, then Reggie's team will push for more. If it's closer to Alex Smith's then the Saints may push for less. I seriously doubt that Reggie's contract will get done before Major Harris has had a chance to screw up Vince's first contract almost as bad as Master P did Ricky WIlliams' contract (another Heisman winning RB playing for the Saints. Hmmm) a few years back.

So the best thing to do is chill. It's going to take a minute. Ducks have to fall in a row before any real negotiation begins. Neither side is feeling any real pressure yet. But let that 1st preseason game go by with Reggie sitting at home and the Saints cringing because he isn't on the sidelines, and then you'll see talks heat up.

SFIAH

07-22-2006, 09:41 PM	#13
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by NoBandwagonrs reggie isnt dumb enuff to sit out the whole year because if im not mistaken the team that takes him has to give the saints compensation and teams dont want to do that so they wont take him. and teams that say he's worth the compensation wont take him because they will be afraid that he will do the same thing to them as he did to the saints. so in the end he will end up with no where near as much money because he will be taken probably middle to late first because of the reasons mentioned. You are mistaken on this one. If Reggie sits out the year, he goes right into next year's draft, and we get zilch.

07-23-2006, 11:52 AM	#20
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,774	Originally Posted by LSUJeremy It's just negotiating. Let's not freak out. Thank you. Someone should send Reggie and his team a couple of articles from the Cedric Benson debacle in Chicago last year. At the end of the day Benson lost a season holding out. Now of course there's a funky twist to all of this. Specifically Mario Williams didn't get a signing bonus. Here's a forum entry that has a copy of the ESPN article outlining the contract: http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=31042 Williams has a guaranteed contract with a value between $21 and $27 million depending on the options the Texans choose to pick up. Fully executed it can escalate to a total value of $62 over 6 years. Now it's interesting to think what both sides are thinking. Note that Alex Smith's signing bonus from last year was only $1 million. But nearly half of his 6 year $49 million contract is guaranteed money. So at the end of the day both sides have a laundry list of items to work through. How long is the contract going to be? (5 years or 6?) What can be voided (none, 1 or 2 years). What if any signing bonus? What can the Saints buy back? How much is guaranteed? What is the total value of the contract as compared to Smith (6 years, $49M total, $24M guaranteed) and WIlliams (6 years, 2 years voidable but the Texans can buy them back, no signing bonus, $21M to $26M guaranteed). Then there's the uniqueness of Reggie's situation both on the front that he really is a concensus #1 pick and that he has a unique skill set. So what are his escalators? Is he a traditional 1500 yard back? Unlikely. He may catch 50 balls and score 15-20 overall TDs. How do you quantify that? Will he play in 80 percent of the offensive plays? So do you have answers to all of these? I'm pretty sure that neither the Saints or the Bush team do either. Then neither want to get screwed when Vince Young's contract comes out. If that contract is too close to Williams, then Reggie's team will push for more. If it's closer to Alex Smith's then the Saints may push for less. I seriously doubt that Reggie's contract will get done before Major Harris has had a chance to screw up Vince's first contract almost as bad as Master P did Ricky WIlliams' contract (another Heisman winning RB playing for the Saints. Hmmm) a few years back. So the best thing to do is chill. It's going to take a minute. Ducks have to fall in a row before any real negotiation begins. Neither side is feeling any real pressure yet. But let that 1st preseason game go by with Reggie sitting at home and the Saints cringing because he isn't on the sidelines, and then you'll see talks heat up. SFIAH
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07-22-2006, 08:28 PM	#11
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	I dont see how this can be true. How could he donate money to save a school, donate hummers to the city, help rebuild Tad Gormley, and pledge all that money from his jersey sales to Katrina victims, and then say he wont play here? Something in this doesnt make sense and i think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion.

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07-22-2006, 08:57 PM	#12
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	I think Bush is going to get signed. It may take a little while, but he will eventually get a deal done. I do not think Mickey Loomis is stupid enough to let this get ugly. If the stuff that the idiot Yahoo reporter says is true, then you have another reason as for why Michael Bennett is still a Saint.

07-22-2006, 10:09 PM	#14
FLSaintsFan Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Florida's Space Coast Posts: 27	Give me a break . . . if he sits out this year and wants to re-enter the draft next year, then he will be out of football for over a year AND have the rep that he could pull the same thing again. Do you really think he would be a 2nd pick next year? Probably not. He will make much more money in a contract this year as a 2nd pick then taking his chances next year. Besides, all those companies paid his endorsement money because he is a known face. Sitting out is not in that equation.

07-22-2006, 10:43 PM	#15
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	C'mon guys. This is business. He is going to sign. It's all part of the game. The FO tries not to be too compliant and the players' agent does the same. They will meet somewhere when one of the two finally breaks. It's a matter of time. He'll get signed. He wants to be a part of things here and I don't believe that he is trying to screw the system. As for holding out until next season....GIVE ME A BREAK! He's not that stupid. He'll lose money, respect, and look really greedy to all the teams. He'll sign. It may be after training camp starts, but he will.

07-22-2006, 10:48 PM	#16
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	this entire story is just mindless fluff. he might not be signed the first day of camp, but he will before the start of preseason and RB is the one position that doesn't suffer much from holdouts.

07-22-2006, 11:08 PM	#17
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Bush will sign..IMO

07-23-2006, 07:10 AM	#18
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	I'm not freaking out. Last year, negotiations got real testy between the Bears and Cedric Benson. But he still signed late Aug/early Sept. Wonder if cap room will be a concern for us? Maybe the Saints need to get into training camp and figure out which players get cut first to see how much $$$ they have to give to Reggie.

07-23-2006, 07:56 AM	#19
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	talk to me when the opening kick off happens. if he is not signed then I will freak. till then whats up with the rest of guys that really need the reps?